[nsonha]

So there are evolutionary reasons baked in such behaviors? Regardless, it's not quite the same as building factory for the sole purpose or killing, and esentially kill for pleasure. The equivalence would be an ongoing massacre which is not seen in nature to my knowledge.

[liaukovv]

Nature is ongoing massacre.

[nsonha]

How so? Predators get tired, they dont have machinary that helps them kill thousands of preys everyday

[liaukovv]

I dont see a difference between using a mchine and using claws and teeth.

I dont see a difference between mother killing prey for her cubs and butcher doing it for me.

I dont see a difference between farmer raising lambs and lion protecting his territory.

Is efficiency your only qualm? The only difference it makes is amount of life, not it's quality.

[nsonha]

Very ignorant, the difference is clearly the number, and the fact that humans kill for pleasure (taste) and convenience, but let's just focus on the number. Do you see the difference between murdering one person and murdering 10?

What's this quality of life horseshit? So if a person has "low quality of life" then i guess murdering them will get you a lighter sentence?

Sorry for using murdering as examples, I just dont have a better way to make the point.

[EvilEy3]

> and the fact that humans kill for pleasure (taste) and convenience, but let's just focus on the number.

Well sorry, not sorry for trying to enjoy the only life that I have.

[liaukovv]

Taste is a proxy for nutrition. Murdering people is bad not because of some abstract causing of pain or whatever(otherwise youd have nothing against killing people with heroin would you?) but because murder begets murder, making existence of organized society very hard and inefficient. Killing animals doesn't cause such problems so it's irrelevant.

Meat animals exist to be killed.

[nsonha]

> Taste is a proxy for nutrition

Please explain ketchup

> Murdering people is bad not because of some abstract causing of pain

Let’s just say it’s not, pain and suffering are still bad things youd want to minimize

You could say that the bad thing about death isn’t pain itself but the lost of life (otherwise an instant death would not be bad), based on the axiom that life is a good thing. You could also make your own axiom that only human lives are good.

> murder begets murder, making existence of organized society very hard and inefficient

So massacring uncivilized tribals that are not part of your organized society, like in the colonial days, is OK?

[klyrs]

> Meat animals exist to be killed.

Says one meatbag to another...

[EvilEy3]

Predators are not counted in billions and aren't conscious enough to say "Hey, Jake over here eating barbeque while I have to eat plant crap" either.