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by arbitrage 1853 days ago
> the stories of Enoch and Methuselah show that any hard bound was clearly violated

you're taking things a little literally here; that's perfectly explainable, and is also paralleled in the other mythos you mentioned: a group of people would raise their own status by claiming to be descended from gods or demi-gods or something else extraordinary. Probably the most approachable example of this in western literature is the figure of Herakles/Hercules.

it is not a stretch to imagine that the people responsible for writing certain books of the hebrew bible raised their own status by claiming to be descended from extremely long-lived ancestors.

Additionally, methusaleh's obtained age was recorded as 969 years; this should be understood not literally, but figuratively: 969 is a looooooong time, and a mystical number. It means "this is important, pay attention to this. this person is special". It helps the narrative in an oral tradition.

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Alternatively, you could notice that the abnormally-long lifespans match a pattern of exponential decay towards a new equilibrium. This would be consistent with a hypothesis that there was a lifespan-extending factor involved, which effects grew weaker from generation to generation. The factor could perhaps have been environmental, or genetic.

I don't subscribe to this view, because I no longer believe the stuff described in the Bible actually happened as described - but if I were trying to treat the Genesis stories as real, this would be the approach I'd take to reconcile them with scientific knowledge.

Or some decaying that reduced lifespan and made marrying your close relatives not ok :)

But I don't think there's any point trying to reconcile the naratives.

Yeah... we're getting to angels on a head of a pin dancing here.

My fundamental point is that a broken clock isn't predictive, even when it happens to be right.

Is it also not possible that they were counting lunar cycles, seasons, or something else as years? In the case of lunar cycles 969 would be about 80.