[jakobnissen]

It's similar to how both people who believe in phlogiston and people who believe in chemistry call fire "fire" - or how people who believe in the life spark and people who don't call life "life", or how people call light "light" regardless of whether they believe in the ether, the standard model or something else.

No matter the academic discussion of what free will is or isn't, we still have to address the fact that dominoes and animals and people appear to behave according to different rules. We have to consider the difference between freedom and coercion. We have to address what accountability and responsibility means, and what makes a person morally blameworthy.

This is what people talk about when they talk about free will. That's why people can claim they strongly believe in free will without being able to articulate, or even having thought much about, how free will is instantiated.

In short: Because "free will" is a name for something we concretely observe. We may be misinterpreting what we observe (maybe it _is_ an illusion), but we still only have that one name for that thing.

[kazoomonger]

> the fact that dominoes and animals and people appear to behave according to different rules

The crux of the issue is that you're wrong here. Humans have this vanity that we're special, but we're really not. We behave according to the same rules, we're just relatively complex systems within those rules compared to dominoes.

When most people think of "free will", what they actually mean is "unpredictability". That's why nobody thinks dominoes have free will, some people think animals have free will, and lots of people think humans have free will. It's much harder to predict human behavior from the point of view of a human than dominoes, but to a superintelligent AI, we're just dominoes.

> accountability and responsibility ... morally blameworthy.

It's actually very simple and doesn't require any such notions. If there is a thing that is causing you or others harm, you act to prevent that thing from causing harm. There's no difference between a murderer and a deadly snake in that regard. I'm not going to ponder whether or not its morally blameworthy as I remove it from my house.

[mensetmanusman]

“ Humans have this vanity that we're special, but we're really not.”

How would one go about proving this statement. Hint: it’s impossible (by definition)

[kazoomonger]

Not sure what you mean by that. If you're looking for a rigorous mathematical proof that humans obey the same laws of physics as everything else, I can't offer you one. However, the burden of proof is on someone asserting that humans are somehow special. I'll believe it when I see it.

[mensetmanusman]

In this case the choice of axioms would dictate who holds the burden of proof. The choice of axioms is an act of faith since they can’t be proven.

[kazoomonger]

In a theoretical vacuum, maybe. However we've done a fair amount of exploring ourselves and the way we work, and we haven't found a soul yet. Asserting that humans are somehow special requires explaining the lack of any supporting evidence.

This is a variant of the god-of-the-gaps argument, which is not turning out well for proponents of religion, as those gaps keep getting smaller and smaller. Again, I'll believe it when I see it.