[RaceWon]

Pictograph instructions: that's the real SOB of ADHD.

Reading novels is not a chore for me, depending. I typically find an author I like and then read the the hell out of his writing. Stephen King short stories are a pretty good place to start imo if you want to get into reading (again), though I started with Vonnegut myself.

I am a famous re-reader of books btw. Its like slipping into a comfortable "another world" for me. Pure escape.

The benefits of ADHD far outweigh any of the negatives for me. I wouldn't trade the Hyperfocus I possess when I drive and/or race with being able to tell my right from left (without consciously thinking which hand I write with) or being able to find my way across towns without navi For ANY amount of money.

I did try ADHD meds for a few weeks once--but it wasn't for me. I am who and what I am.

[JackMorgan]

I believe ADHD people are fully capable of training their minds to become extremely productive. Granted, most people don't want to train anything, much less their minds, so it doesn't manifest much in the wild.

But in those that do, it's like a superpower. I spent several years training my hyperfocus to the point where, barring externalities like lack of sleep or food, I can engage it at will.

For challenging or creative tasks, it's like a superpower. I can go at levels far past most people's ability to focus. My entire mind will be engaged and thriving at full blast. Presentations, writing, designing, and creating I can do as easily as breathing.

There are real downsides, but I wouldn't trade them for anything.

[Leparamour]

>I spent several years training my hyperfocus to the point where, barring externalities like lack of sleep or food, I can engage it at will.

Please do share your suggestions. Hyperfocus isn't the problem for people suffering ADHD. It's applying hyperfocus selectively on worthwhile tasks. "Neurotypicals'" best advice is usually "you just have to will it".

[JackMorgan]

I setup my life such that I had two thirty minute blocks without interruption every day at the same time. No internet, no calls, nothing. I ensured that I could not easily skip this block. Then I gave myself a task: write something, anything for that time. Maybe a book, a blog, a personal programming task, homework for a course, a journal, etc. Then as soon as the time was up, I'd slap the laptop shut and walk away. I'd repeat this again later in the day. Over a year, I found myself able to snap into focus instantly, as if I'd never stopped from the previous session. Meanwhile I wrote 100k words of public blogs, two books, an open source product still used today by a local school, took two university courses, finished the exercises in SICP, and kept up a github streak over 1000 days long. If I choose, I can "flex" that muscle and be 100% focused on a task within a few seconds.

How I implemented this was to find a job that required me to take a train into work. This train was light commuter rail, only about 25 minutes. I brought a laptop with me and would sit with it balanced on my lap in a shaking (sometimes quite loud) train. At first it was very difficult to get into focus, but over a year I just found it easier and easier.

I think if I was to do it again, I'd probably find some dumb reason to leave the house every day. Perhaps I'd never keep breakfast food in the house and have to go walk or drive to the store every day for that day's breakfast, then sit in the parking lot or store cafe for thirty minutes. Perhaps I'd make a daily Starbucks routine, ensuring I'm there thirty minutes early every day. Or I'd convince myself to get to work early to beat the traffic, but then sit in the parking lot for 30 minutes.

It doesn't much matter how, all that matters is outcome.

[Leparamour]

Thank for the reply. This didn't go unnoticed!

What you're describing sounds a lot like the concept of "Deep Work" as popularized by Cal Newport. Unfortunately this is exactly where people with ADHD fail (or maybe it's just me).

I've been trying to set up a work routine, like the one you describe, for years now. Without much success so far. It doesn't even matter how high the stakes are or how close the deadline looms, I simply can't "force" myself to focus. It feels like every day the dices are rolled anew.

For over 20 years now, I've also been (on and off) trying to practice meditation and mindfulness even before this got popular and I still can't go 2 minutes without my thoughts wandering to what I want to do next.

But I nevertheless respect your effort and the results you achieved. There's a current thread about the application of Psylocybin to depression. Perhaps that one is interesting to you as well:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26816444

[biased_coin]

Please share your techniques to train your hyperfocus.

I am currently willing to try anything (except drugs) to help my attention. Pomodoro and meditation have helped me enormously in the past. But now, with kids at home, everything has taken a beating.

[JackMorgan]

See my other comment above

[gunshowmo]

This sounds great and all but feels more like a cope. A proper dextro dosage will make you much more productive, more consistently, than you could ever "train your mind" to be naturally.

[JackMorgan]

I had some pretty bad reactions to various medications. Also I'm very interested in being self-sufficient if at all possible, even if it means serious inconvenience and effort. I don't begrudge anyone else the tools they choose to improve their lives, and I expect the same attitude in return. If a medication gets you the same effect without a lot of work and that's what you want, awesome, and I'm glad you found it.

I'm very proud in some ways, so training my mind is satisfying to me on several levels. I love knowing that short of a knock on the head, no one can take this away from me, that I've forged this thing myself. It's only mine, can't be faked or bought, only earned through hard work. That's appealing to me. Likewise, I train my body, with heavy lifting, grueling rucking, challenging gymnastics, and fast running. I love that I can change parts of this form I inhabit to be my own, both inside and out. Sure I still have to wear my glasses and get sick etc, but I get a tremendous joy improving those things I can.

[gunshowmo]

That's a very respectable mindset to have, cheers.

[tgaj]

I am not sure it problems with left-right or navigation are connected with ADHD. I have ADHD and never had problems like these. But I'm more ADD without Hyperactivity and some symptoms are different.