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by fatsdomino001 1905 days ago
Grim. Medical autonomy is a basic human right. Once medical autonomy is taken away it’s not even a question of a slippery slope to a dystopian future, because you’re already in it.
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By that argument, the United States must have become dystopian in the early 1900s, when the Supreme Court in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905) upheld fining people who refused smallpox vaccination. Or in 1922, when in Zucht v. King, 260 U.S. 174 (1922) upheld a Texas public school not allowing a student to attend without proof of vaccination.

There was an interesting piece on NPR this morning on "vaccine passports". It brought up the history of the eradication of smallpox in the US up through the middle of the 20th century and a large part of it was making vaccination mandatory for things like attending school and checking this. They didn't formally have vaccine passports because the smallpox vaccination left a distinctive mark so all someone had to do to check was ask you to roll up a sleeve and they could take a look.

They did bring up a risk of vaccine passports that would not have been a risk in the mid 20th century: privacy. With the propensity nowadays to exploit for tracking everything that can be tracked and to tie together all the different databases that contained anything about us, it is quite possible that a vaccine passport system could turn into something more--showing you vaccine passport to be allowed into a store for example might end up being equivalent to showing you full driver's license, credit report, and everything else.

Any vaccine passport system should be designed so that all it reveals is that the bearer had been vaccinated, not who the bearer is. I can't offhand think of a way to do that other than having vaccine passports be active electronic devices which might get expensive.

The fear is a result like Buck v. Bell (1927).
It's always been the case that the right of your fist ends where my face begins.

You also can't implant a gun (an autonomous medical decision) and complain when it's still covered by gun laws.

Various vaccines have been mandatory for schoolchildren in the US for 100 years.

So if this is "grim", it's been grim since before you were born. Guess that slippery slope takes a while?

It's not totally mandatory. They allow for exceptions and there's the option of home schooling.
Some states have significantly cut back on exemptions that aren't for valid medical reasons and home schooling isn't really a viable option for many people.

In addition, although I don't know if the case would stand up today, the Supreme Court has held that states can require vaccinations generally. (A 1905 case involving Massachusetts and smallpox vaccination.)

Please omit swipes from your comments here. Your comment would be fine without the last bit.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Fair enough, but "slippery slope" is a particularly well-known logical fallacy and it seems worth pointing out when someone invokes it as the crux of their argument. Next time I'll use better words.