[tumblewit]

DRM is a problem everywhere including linux and running ChromiumOS. There is a protected path from the stream to the display that needs to be "certified" in order to support something like 1080p. I guess for payments it's similar. Its really unnecessary and waste of resources imo. But creators probably want some kind of assurances and so we are stuck with it.

[skynet-9000]

You are forgetting that DRM stopped all that piracy that bankrupted the movie industry. That's also why there were so few movies released in the last 15 months or so.

It really debunks that myth that open source software could ever handle the strong encryption that's so desperately needed to protect new movies and TV shows from showing up on The Pirate Bay.

I for one welcome this cogent and secure technological response to a market issue.

[vorpalhex]

You're going to get so many responses missing your sarcasm.

[skynet-9000]

True. :) but adding /s is not as much fun, especially on April 1st.

[Qwertious]

Pretending to be an idiot is not a prank. Idiots are normal, nobody is a fool for thinking the person saying idiotic things on the internet genuinely is an idiot.

[skynet-9000]

I'd like to take a moment and refute these silly arguments that I made.

> You are forgetting that DRM stopped all that piracy that bankrupted the movie industry. That's also why there were so few movies released in the last 15 months or so.

DRM didn't stop anything, and the movie industry is not bankrupt.

One could easily argue that there might be other reasons why few movies were released since the start of 2019.

> It really debunks that myth that open source software could ever handle the strong encryption that's so desperately needed to protect new movies and TV shows from showing up on The Pirate Bay.

The myth? Do you realize that literally every single web browser is built on an open source foundation? And how is decryption in the browser going to keep a determined person from grabbing the screen output or even grabbing the keys?

Remember, not your keys, not your lock.

> I for one welcome this cogent and secure technological response to a market issue.

Why would a technological response be appropriate for a market issue?

[oooooooooooow]

I call nonsense on this one. Anything that's on current streaming services (especially the popular stuff, aka the money makers) can be easily found on p2p networks. DRM has never won a single battle that I know of.

These services are not successful because of exclusivity, but because of convenience, feature richness, legality, speed of access... in other words they are worth the price.

It's important to be aware of this: the media streaming landscape becoming more and more fragmented directly impacts the most important reason why people are paying for these (convenience), which could lead to a harsh reality check for production companies.

[yyyk]

>DRM has never won a single battle that I know of.

You need to define 'victory' in a proper manner.

Businesspeople don't really care if some lone hacker in some forsaken internet forum broke their DRM. They don't need to fulfill the perfect technical victory condition. So long as they've limited the use of the devices for nearly all users for the commercial lifespan of the device*, and (most importantly) so long they think they make more money than without, they've won as far as they're concerned.

Their criteria is far more realistic and relevant to the world at large than the technical 'never ever get hacked' criteria. There's a good argument that perfect protection (if it were possible) would actually be counterproductive to the bottom line.

* Just look at how general computing has been getting more and more restricted.

[tumblewit]

More like ISP StreamingService partnership did this since it is far cheaper for them to streaming from edge boxes at their own CDNs than p2p which hurt the ISPs because they have to pay for peering bandwidth. Also streaming services are just too mature these days and easy to use compared to p2p. There are plenty of free licence movies and tv shows but even those prefer streaming platform over p2p. It has almost nothing to do with DRM.

[argon0]

I don't know what you're talking about. As long as you can videotape a screen in a dark room and get audio out a 3.5mm jack, piracy will continue. The only way to prevent piracy is either:

A) only allow movies to be played in theaters

B) watermark all content, and vigorously track down freeloaders based on the watermarks

You can still find most movies/TV/books/music for free on the open web as long as you use a search engine other than google.

[eptcyka]

Bankrupting? When has a Hollywood movie not been a massive success in viewership but a massive loss on the balance sheet? I wouldn't trust Hollywood accountants.

[sumtechguy]

Even star wars was a failure.

[ddalex]

> payments it's similar

Without the protected path, how do you know that a malicious program doesn't use a low-level API to start a payment from your account without you noticing ?

[berdario]

1- You don't, but it's not a real problem since non-cryptocurrency payments are reversible and trackable, so scammers won't use them. They'll rather exploit analog ways to get money out of you, recent example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKW58MS12g#t=7m18s

2- You don't, but sandboxing should be enough to isolate untrustworthy apps from OS-level APIs that could do what you're afraid of.

[anoncake]

The problem is that people have to run untrustworthy software to begin with.