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by zepto 1921 days ago
Can you explain how?
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I've had guns stolen. So overnight they went from legally owned to illegally owned.
Every illegal gun is either stolen from a legal owner, the police, the military, or imported (where it comes from those same sources).

By increasing the supply their availability for criminals also goes up proportionally.

3rd option - manufactured by the criminal.

This isn't common today, but considering ongoing the efforts to make 3d-printing Glock and Hi-Point frames easier I can't imagine it will remain uncommon forever. These aren't exactly hard to find, see [0].

And for those who think you can just ban all other gun parts and fix the problem, I present to you the FGC-9 - a pistol-caliber carbine manufacturable in your basement with a 3d printer, metal bar stock, and some high-pressure pipe. Semi-auto, rifled barrel - the works. [1] Is it a trivial process? No. Is it going to get easier and produce higher quality results with time? Yes.

0: https://www.defcad.com/library/60d6a735-4a8c-4b42-8dd7-33b13...

1: https://www.defcad.com/library/ac26b242-720f-4608-a202-0ecea...

The proportion of such weapons on the street is on the order of a rounding error.
Yeah, 3d-printed guns are essentially nonexistent in criminal hands today. (to the best of my knowledge)
Sure, but the evidence from other countries strongly suggests that this would change if commercially made guns got harder to obtain.

In the UK and Europe, criminals modifying replicas or other close starting points is quite common.

Source for that Europe claim? That’s what we call a stretch. A earth-to-moon kind of stretch. In most of Western Europe gun crime is basically non-existent outside of turf wars, drug rings and bank robberies. Your odds of being killed or robbed at gunpoint are close to zero.

You know where modifying guns with 3D printed parts is common? The USA, since you can turn many of the commercially available ones into automatic weapons.

There was a terrorist in Germany that built a whole arsenal of home made weapons. He tried to storm a synagogue but since he couldn't get access to real gun powder he had to get a substitute. Subsequently he failed to bust the door open and just shot a white passerby and then he went to a kebab shop to shoot the clerk. Considering his goal was to kill 30+ jews this is a pretty good example how gun control saves lives.
> he failed to bust the door open and just shot a white passerby

> a pretty good example how gun control saves lives.

It sounds like the door saved lives. He was still able to shoot people. It doesn't sound like gun control laws saved any lives; maybe the building codes did.

I think the point is that he failed to bust the door open because the makeshift gun was not powerful enough.
Did he think he could get through the door with a regular gun? Hollywood portrayals of shooting locks isn't reality.
Personally, I'd also put that down as an example of how a fixation on guns leads to failure. A truck attack or bomb might have been far more devastating.

Especially since it sounds like his substitute gunpowder worked.

Seconded. Against these idiots I think if anything guns are a safety measure. Using a large vehicle (rent a moving truck, load it with something like concrete blocks from your local hardware) and ram is actually more deadly than most mass shootings. Guns only have an advantage if you seek specific targets rather than simply a death toll.
Uh.. that’s very interesting but doesn’t seem relevant to the conversation at all.
People legally buy guns and then distribute them illegally.
Sure but the GP’s point they there is little overlap is correct.

Out of approx 400,000,000 guns, only very roughly 12,000 are used in crime. There is less than 0.01% overlap.

Not sure where you got this number from. The US had 13,500 firearm homicides in 2018.

https://health.ucdavis.edu/what-you-can-do/facts.html

If you include the number of persons shot but not killed directly you are looking at about 20x that number.

And that doesn’t include firearms used in other crimes of violence.

If your numbers are correct, the overall point still stands.