[imtringued]

There was a terrorist in Germany that built a whole arsenal of home made weapons. He tried to storm a synagogue but since he couldn't get access to real gun powder he had to get a substitute. Subsequently he failed to bust the door open and just shot a white passerby and then he went to a kebab shop to shoot the clerk. Considering his goal was to kill 30+ jews this is a pretty good example how gun control saves lives.

[meowster]

> he failed to bust the door open and just shot a white passerby

> a pretty good example how gun control saves lives.

It sounds like the door saved lives. He was still able to shoot people. It doesn't sound like gun control laws saved any lives; maybe the building codes did.

[jiofih]

I think the point is that he failed to bust the door open because the makeshift gun was not powerful enough.

[meowster]

Did he think he could get through the door with a regular gun? Hollywood portrayals of shooting locks isn't reality.

[laverya]

Personally, I'd also put that down as an example of how a fixation on guns leads to failure. A truck attack or bomb might have been far more devastating.

Especially since it sounds like his substitute gunpowder worked.

[LorenPechtel]

Seconded. Against these idiots I think if anything guns are a safety measure. Using a large vehicle (rent a moving truck, load it with something like concrete blocks from your local hardware) and ram is actually more deadly than most mass shootings. Guns only have an advantage if you seek specific targets rather than simply a death toll.