[alliao]

the context behind such article I think should be provided.. China regards Taiwan as part of China, whether right now or eventually depends on how much CCP koolaid they've consumed. The whole Huawei chip ban from the US really shook Chinese to the core, and suddenly TSMC became strategic asset. And this is one of those articles wanting to sensationalise the history a bit. Largest grains of salt for me.

Chinese have invested absolute mind boggling amount of money to kick start their semiconductor industry, many people mentioned in the article have gone to work for and have already quit China; whether that was their intention to defraud the CCP or not is not obvious. But I haven't seen any signs of China having capacity on producing chips yet. Most high profile hires and companies have failed like the one Chiang went to

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3123429/troubled-chi...

[mytailorisrich]

> China regards Taiwan as part of China, whether right now or eventually depends on how much CCP koolaid they've consumed.

The problem with using "China" here is that it is always misleading if people have no prior knowledge of the situation.

Specifically "China" here means "People's Republic of China" because they consider that the "Republic of China" ceased to exist in 1949 and Taiwan, as a province of the Republic of China automatically moved under the PRC sovereignty. Conversely the Republic of China (in Taiwan now) does not officially recognises the PRC.

So it's a bit like if the two Koreas refused to acknowledge the existence of each other and claimed the whole peninsula for themselves, which I believe is actually not far from the situation there. But it's more complicated with China because of the existence of a "3rd faction" in Taiwan that would like to see Taiwan independent of any Chinese state whatever that state might be.

[rcxdude]

>So it's a bit like if the two Koreas refused to acknowledge the existence of each other and claimed the whole peninsula for themselves, which I believe is actually not far from the situation there. But it's more complicated with China because of the existence of a "3rd faction" in Taiwan that would like to see Taiwan independent of any Chinese state whatever that state might be.

I believe this is the official situation but I think the unofficial position is the People's Republic of China wants Taiwan while the Republic of China on the whole is perfectly happy with just Taiwan, but any official recognition of that fact just highlights the rejection in practice of the official position of the PRC and is likely to upset them further, so the official status quo remains as a strange diplomatic stalemate.

[mytailorisrich]

Well, I think this is the difference between the official positions (which are the same on both sides) and the reality on the ground in terms of relative power.

The PRC/mainland is massively bigger and more powerful than the ROC/Taiwan so they think that they have the means to pursue their official position.

Taiwan knows that they don't have the means to pursue their official position so there is little point making noise about it. And furthermore, the "3rd faction", which the current President belongs to, is not sympathetic to that position, anyway. But when the KMT is in power they do at in way that protects that position (eventual (re-)unifaction).

[sbierwagen]

No native English speaker thinks of Taiwan when someone says "China".

[throwaway4good]

The TSMC blockade of Huawei is about 1 year and that was really the shot that kicked the chip wars into overdrive.

I would expect see the first result of the Chinese scramble to ramp up self-sufficiency in about a year from now.

Probably the most interesting is Huawei's work with equipment manufacturer SMEE.

[throwaway4good]

Lots of Taiwanese see themselves as Chinese; not under the same government. But of the same people.

[throw546753]

To clarify this, they see themselves as part of the Chinese civilization (華人 = hua ren). A lot of Chinese diaspora do as well, for example Chinese Singaporeans are part this cultural sphere.

Taiwanese people have another term for Chinese Mainlanders (大陸人 = da lu ren).

[brobinson]

The data: https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7800&id=6961

So about 29.9% say Taiwanese + Chinese and 2.6% say exclusively Chinese.

[ngcc_hk]

% lower and lower. The recent 228 isa case. Many Taiwanese considered themselves Japanese as well. And many just Taiwanese. Let there be a vote ... actually it has been voted sort of.