[martamorena2843]

Yeah, but also the industry knows for DECADES that RSA will likely be broken eventually. Not having reacted yet is not the researcher's fault.

We know that Quantum computers can break it too, yet nobody really acts on it with any urgency. If suddenly there is a breakthrough and we can reach this state within a year, then there will be no time to adapt as well.

It all boils down to the general corporate attitude of not fixing catastrophic problems without precedence. We see the same with climate change and once it hits hard, it will be too late to adapt.

[im3w1l]

I asked a few years ago(I don't remember the specifics) what was the recommended post-quantum crypto, and basically the answer was that there wasn't any vetted and proven post-quantum crypto. So I don't think you can blame the industry here.

[tialaramex]

There are some promising experiments. All of them are much worse than the algorithms we use today (including RSA) in practical terms, except that Shor's algorithm doesn't apply to them, and so they specifically fulfil the criterion of post-quantum public key crypto.

[For symmetric encryption quantum computers would only matter if they were pretty fast/cheap and we didn't have ready-to-go 256-bit symmetric crypto, but we do]

OpenSSH actually has an implementation of a reasonable contender for SSH. Google have experimented (in Chrome builds) with some of these contenders for TLS too. What you would likely want to do - since by definition these are relatively untried algorithms and so might be unsafe against adversaries with an existing not-at-all-quantum computer - is combine with an existing algorithm, most likely elliptic curve based, but RSA would be possible, under a "swiss cheese" model where you're only dead if an adversary penetrates all the layers.

But like I said, much worse. Given that there aren't any suitably large quantum computers (and it's always possible that we'll eventually figure out we just can't build usefully large quantum computers, just like we eventually found out that while you can travel faster than sound you can't travel faster than light) it would make no sense to deploy this today, even though it continues to make sense to do research Just In Case.

[im3w1l]

Wouldn't surprise me if there are classified quantum computers crunching numbers as we speak tbh.

[AlexCoventry]

I would be very surprised. That would involve keeping some huge leaps in basic research under wraps.

[Miraste]

Could you expand on "much worse?" Are they slower, are they harder to implement?

[marcosdumay]

Just to expand the other answer you got.

Slower, in a different complexity class from the classical ones (AKA O(n^2) instead of O(n), but I don't know what exact complexities the top candidates have right now, as a function of key length).

Larger messages, in that a signature requires 100's or 10's of Mb instead of a few kb.

Larger public keys, as again 100's of Mb instead of a few kb.

Larger private keys, as in a few to 10's of Mb instead of 1/2 to a few kb.

But I guess the most relevant "much worse" is that people have much less confidence that those algorithms are secure, and they are complex enough to hide huge traps that make implement RSA look like a walk in the park.

[pezezin]

You seem to be way outdated. A lot of work has been put on reducing key sizes. Dunno about signatures, but for key exchange SIKE (https://sike.org/) uses keys of a few hundred bytes, comparable in size to RSA.

[tialaramex]

Sure, SIKE is not so much bigger than existing approaches, but it is much slower than they are.

Some of the other choices aren't so much slower but are far bigger, for example McEliece systems.

There's lots of opportunities to make different trade-offs - at least if all of them survive a bit more scrutiny by smart motivated opponents - but they're all generally worse than what we have now - except that they resist Shor's algorithm.

[rocqua]

slower

larger messages

larger public keys

larger private keys

[js8]

Not only quantum computers. Every cryptographic method relies on fact that there is no easy way to decide NP problems. And we don't really know whether P!=NP (in fact, according to polls, about a quarter of researchers disagree), or, in case there actually is a polynomial algorithm, its exponent will make it untractable in practice.

So there might be DOOMSDAY in the future, where all cryptography will cease to work, because somebody just figures a way to decide NP problems quickly enough.

[upofadown]

>Yeah, but also the industry knows for DECADES that RSA will likely be broken eventually.

Interesting. Reference?

[kadoban]

It's generally accepted for almost all crypto protocols that it's going to be broken eventually (a few rare cases are provably secure, one-time pads and not much else).

If nothing else, quantum computers should break RSA in particular (the algorithm is already known and just waiting for hardware) and the writing has been on the wall there for a long time.

[vbezhenar]

> It's generally accepted for almost all crypto protocols that it's going to be broken eventually

Just like it was generally accepted that god exists. Those claims are of similar strength.

> If nothing else, quantum computers should break RSA in particular

Quantum computers with enough qubits do not exist and it's absolutely not obvious whether they will exist at all.

[saagarjha]

Cryptographically protocols have attacks designed against them all the time.