[bitexploder]

Django ORM has grown on me. I think it isn't quite as powerful as SQLAlchemy, but it is really quite decent. SQLAlchemy lets me think closer to SQL if I want to, and that is nice as well. I tend to use the Django ORM the most lately... but all 3 of those are rather full featured and accomplish the average user's needs. SQLA is still my favorite ORM anywhere.

[fernandotakai]

same! i like that SQLAlchemy made me actually learn SQL.

but for like, boilerplate stuff, Django's ORM works so well. also, because it's all within the same "framework", every single library can adapt super well to it and more a shitton of dumb code from your hands.

[bitexploder]

I love reading about the thumping and bumping of modern frameworks. Meanwhile tons of great software gets written in rails and Django while startups cargo cult along. Maybe I am being curmudgeonly here, but, I think it’s true.