[munchbunny]

I don't think it's actually that hard, as long as you don't try too hard to optimize the layout itself. Write a few heuristics into the system and you can get really close to the thing you're describing. Most of the throughput modeling is pretty straightforward from an algorithmic perspective.

This probably gets the most interesting in the super-late game where players have unlocked all of the tech and are building megabases. Now that the making of everything has been automated, perhaps the building of everything should be automated as well.

[munk-a]

I think optimizing layout or at least attempting to minimize the amount of crossed conveyors is most of the issue.

Comparing Factorio to Satifactory (basically a simpler Factorio but in 3d space) - component layout gets a lot easier to optimize since you can essentially float rando chunks of logic in random parts of the sky - Factorio does have an interesting mod[1] to allow what's essentially a black-box subroutine but the majority of the headache is trying to build a relatively compact (and thus defensible) layout while also allowing yourself the room to re-tool the setup as needs change.

Building absolutely can be automated - there are a lot of self-replicating structures out there, most of which automate the forward deployment of defenses since that's a real issue you're going to need to deal with.

1. https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Factorissimo2

[munchbunny]

I think optimizing layout or at least attempting to minimize the amount of crossed conveyors is most of the issue.

Yup that's exactly what I was thinking about. If you don't have to optimize, then you can mix and match heuristics to get the job done. If you have to optimize... now the search space gets real big real fast.

[munk-a]

I work with a rather complex database in my day job and occasionally maintain a very human-oriented ERD for employee education - I've looked at various auto-ERDs in the past and failed to find one that can actually produce a decently pleasant visual diagram as output - most of them will just give up on the task and lay tables out in a roughly hierarchical display based on distance from a relatively core table and then let links between tables lie where they may.

Optimizing layout is a very interesting problem and one interest component in Factorio in particular is that you have some real values to measure as output like:

1. Total space used

2. Total energy required (more inserters means more power - more belts usually means more space)

3. Throughput

4. Pollution produced

5. Tile-ability of the design.

6. Proportion of unused space within a bounding box

Probably a few other fun ones - it actually sounds like a pretty approachable problem to get objectively good results out of.