[bigfudge]

For me part of the cultish ness is justified because I have to teach about 100 non programmers to use R and rmd every year. Tidyverse solves the big problem that R used to have was that there were hundreds of ways to do things, none of the functions had consistent naming or calling signatures and it was hard to Google sensible answers. Tidyvers is fast, consistent and has good docs. Pipes discourage lots of mutable state which is a major cause of errors in non programmers code. I think if you are going to be sharing your code with other researchers and are not using tidyverse then These days I think you basically are doing it wrong.

[stilisstuk]

Hmmm... I've always found tideverse syntax inelegant. Data.table syntax does more with fewer different words. But it can get a bit convoluted. Any ways: there are different ways to solveing problems and writing code. Should we not encourage this? Otherwise it's just cargo cult again and again.

[bigfudge]

To a point. I’m actually a data table user too, but it’s actually a pain at the moment (and a good example of why tidyverse quality matters) because they broke the integration with reshape and made me rewrite a bunch of guides a while ago. I don’t like to encourage cargo cutting, but to some extent it’s needed as a beginner. Heck, we’re all still cargo culting to some degree unless you also understand the machine code.