[vkou]

> I keep hoping that eventually there will be some kind of push back against identity politics, and that we will go back to more of a "live and let live" kind of attitude.

"Live and let live" only ever worked for acceptable identities. You did not have that luxury if you were, say, gay prior to the early oughts.

I think you're looking at the past through rose-tinted glasses. It was less 'live and let live' and more 'sit down and shut up if you are different'.

Now those people have a voice, and a lot of folks are finding it quite upsetting.

[tachyonbeam]

Depends. Not every part of the world has the same culture, and it didn't suddenly become OK to be gay everywhere on some specific date. In the 1960s, it was probably much more OK to be gay in say, San Francisco than in Detroit.

In the 1960s, I believe SF did have much more of a live and let live attitude than much of the rest of the world, but IMO, SF is now a not really tolerant place anymore. There's very much a dominant narrative being imposed by the big silicon valley players, but culture does change over time. If you try to enforce certain political ideas and suppress others, you inevitably give rise to some kind of counter-culture, it seems.

[lotsofpulp]

>If you try to enforce certain political ideas and suppress others, you inevitably give rise to some kind of counter-culture, it seems.

Is intolerance of intolerance intolerance?

[xpe]

I recommend thinking about this question in the context of public morality versus private morality.

I recommend this book by Robert Kane: "Through the Moral Maze: Searching for Absolute Values in a Pluralistic World"

GoodReads: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1654373.Through_the_Mora...

A book review by Bruce Ballard: https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/490166

[xpe]

I feel the frustration of your post. I agree with what you are saying.

Perhaps it can help to remember this: some of us here may not realize that even the term identity politics has a complex history. From Wikipedia:

> The term was coined by the Combahee River Collective in 1977. The collective group of women saw identity politics as an analysis that introduced opportunity for Black women to be actively involved in politics, while simultaneously acting as a tool to authenticate Black women's personal experiences. It took on widespread usage in the early 1980s, and in the ensuing decades has been employed in myriad cases with radically different connotations dependent upon the term's context.