[kelchqvjpnfasjl]

From Stanford v. Texas

Vivid in the memory of the newly independent Americans were those general warrants known as writs of assistance under which officers of the Crown had so bedeviled the colonists. The hated writs of assistance had given customs officials blanket authority to search where they pleased for goods imported in violation of the British tax laws. They were denounced by James Otis as "the worst instrument of arbitrary power, the most destructive of English liberty, and the fundamental principles of law, that ever was found in an English law book," because they placed "the liberty of every man in the hands of every petty officer." The historic occasion of that denunciation, in 1761 at Boston, has been characterized as "perhaps the most prominent event which inaugurated the resistance of the colonies to the oppressions of the mother country. 'Then and there,' said John Adams, 'then and there was the first scene of the first act of opposition to the arbitrary claims of Great Britain. Then and there the child Independence was born.'"

[simonh]

Good one, that showed us Brits the right of it.

#Cough# Civil Forfeiture #Cough#

[tinus_hn]

Not to mention the constitution free zone around the borders.

[lawtalkinghuman]

If all else fails, you just outsource spying on your own citizens to a friendly ally (the Five Eyes).

[JulianMorrison]

Which is 100 miles deep and includes many major cities.

[AnthonyMouse]

You're underselling that one, because they count the coastline as a "border":

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/mapping-w...

> the border zone is home to 65.3 percent of the entire U.S. population

[bregma]

Also, international airports. 100 miles around Denver, Atlanta, or Dallas covers a lot of people.

[guntars]

Do they actually ever use it? I know it theoretically means that CBP can search anyone’s home in NYC without a warrant, but if they never actually do it, they might get shot down in the courts if they ever try.

[refurb]

Jeeze there is a lot of confusion about the 100 mile thing.

No, they can’t stop you for no reason.

No, they can’t search you without cause or a warrant.

https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

[nsajko]

Relevant Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

[hedora]

After Brexit, we out-idioted you.

Now that the pendulum is swinging back, hopefully we’ll take this a challenge to out-competent you as well.

[Razengan]

As long as you think in terms of “us versus you” the pendulum will keep swinging.

That’s how you started fighting among yourselves, after all.

[simonh]

I like that take.

Britain: Brexit.

USA: Hold my beer!

[secfirstmd]

Ireland: Can you both stop please we're getting a headache.

[jimbob45]

Hardly. Both Trump and Biden will be gone (probably dead) after four more years and things will return to normal. All doors will eventually reopen.

Britain will never return to the normalcy of EU membership. Things have changed permanently for that country in a way that they might not have if they’d voted remain. Doors are now closed for them.

[vkou]

Biden's presidency is not the abnormal thing. It'll be yet another neo-liberal administration.

The abnormal thing is the genie of reactionary populism that the Republicans unleashed a decade ago, starting with the Tea Party, and culminating with the Trump party. Given that prominent republicans (Ted Cruz) are actively trying to marshal those forces behind them[1], I don't think that we'll be going back to normal anytime soon.

[1] He's far more likely to win the 2024 nomination than someone like Mitt Romney, who, for all his faults, is not happy with Trumpism.

[jimbob45]

I was trying to be inclusive. My point was that everything 2020-related will be dead by 2024.

[TheDong]

Your comment was that "trump and biden will be gone, things will return to normal".

The parent is rightly pointing out that it doesn't matter if those specific individuals in power are gone, that doesn't mean the broader movements around them will change.

The problems of the world are rarely due to a single person, and rarely are solved by a single person losing power. Behind that single person is a system, and a new person will take their place if the system isn't also changed.

[6510]

We can still take little england by force!

[Cullinet]

it still goes on :

https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/crime/british-transpo...

I met Alan when trying to get my own case even filed at the high court. His account, when he told me that he could express himself to me only because he was aware that I have personal comparable experience, reduced this articulate and eminently humane man to tears. I once had a barrister unable to attend the employment tribunal in Birmingham out of fear of arbitrary arrest by the British Transport Police.