[nwienert]

Hm... but a phone is orders of magnitude harder to build than a car (minus the computer). Keep in mind, Tesla didn’t design or build the computers.

Cars use many more off the shelf parts, they have far easier supply chains to tap into.

Designing and building the CPU, GPU, camera systems, neural chip/software, touchscreen, FaceID, etc. All of these components require way more competence to build than any single part of an electric car using an off the shelf computer.

Cars have more parts, but they are dramatically bigger, less intensely complex, less intensely integrated. Just the CPU alone of a phone puts an entire electric engine to shame in terms of difficulty of engineering.

So it’s an interesting comparison. But I’d put money on Apple making a great car before Tesla made a great computer.

[easde]

> Keep in mind, Tesla didn’t design or build the computers.

Tesla has shipped their custom SoC in every new car since April 2019.

[nwienert]

The point has nothing to do with whether they do now, but the relative complexity of building a car vs computer.

[ClumsyPilot]

Complexity of a phone has no relevance on your ability to deliver a car, just like it has no relevance on your ability to deliver a hydroelectric dam.

[nwienert]

This isn't reddit, don't just make assertions. Give it an honest try.

[ClumsyPilot]

Serious double-standard going on here. If you make assertions without evidence, i can refute them without evidence.

In particular, you assert that:

1 - phone is more complex than a car

2 - if phones is more complex than a car, then the organisation that produced it can produce a car.

You have provided nothing to back them up. I am in particular disagreeing with the second one.

[nwienert]

Ok, name something more complex than a CPU to manufacture on a car?

Making the leap from "Apple makes many complex hardware parts" to they can make a car is a smaller leap than the opposite - Tesla literally didn't exist and made a car, so to assert Apple somehow couldn't is... weird.

Things Apple builds already that are in cars: custom glass, speakers, lights, complex aluminum frames, computers, cameras, knobs/dials, batteries, screens, wheels, fans, materials from leather to rubber to plastic, memory foam...