[koolba]

> That’s what I don’t get about this whole peloton thing.

The short answer is that people are idiots. The same people that spend thousands on a Peloton are the ones that previously were spending comparative amounts at “spin classes”, which are nothing more than riding a bike while someone yells at you. At best, it forces them to do the workout so they don’t feel like their money is being wasted.

I’ve long proposed a fitness program where you pay some exorbitant fee, say $500/month, to work out alone and you get a rebate for each workout. I bet it’d have incredible results.

[wittyreference]

Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a trainer is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?

Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a group is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?

Do you think that emulating being with a group would have value for those that would otherwise value working with a group?

Do you think that anyone who falls into the "works out better with a group and a trainer, or an emulation thereof" must be an idiot? Or do you think that category simply doesn't exist?

From my experience in competitive powerlifting, working out by myself, working out with others, working out with a coach, working out with an app yelling at me, are all very different endeavors, with different outcomes. Maybe I'm just an idiot.

[koolba]

> Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a trainer is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?

Honestly no. It’s just a symptom of being a weak minded person who can’t commit to self improvement.

> Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a group is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?

If you say ask it twice it doesn’t change the response.

> Do you think that emulating being with a group would have value for those that would otherwise value working with a group?

Of course it has value. But it’s the workout equivalent of hiring a prostitute. Find some real friends to work out with. Or just play some music and pedal.

> Do you think that anyone who falls into the "works out better with a group and a trainer, or an emulation thereof" must be an idiot? Or do you think that category simply doesn't exist?

A group, a trainer, and a spin class instructor that just yells at you on a preset rhythm are three different things.

> From my experience in competitive powerlifting, working out by myself, working out with others, working out with a coach, working out with an app yelling at me, are all very different endeavors, with different outcomes. Maybe I'm just an idiot.

I didn’t insult having a trainer or anything to do with powerlifting with a group. Hell, a spotter is all but mandatory in that situation.

I’m specifically referring to idiots paying someone to yell at them to speed up or slow down while riding a bike. You could record one session and play it back on a speaker and it’d be the same thing.

[dhnajsjdnd]

> Honestly no. It’s just a symptom of being a weak minded person who can’t commit to self improvement

Are you saying these “weak minded” people don’t deserve to be fit, or what?

[koolba]

Not at all. I’m saying that they’re being preyed upon by an industry that’s taking advantage of their weak wills.

Teaching them to focus their will power would pay off much more than a “class” where there’s no actual lesson. To be clear, I’m not taking about actual instruction like a sport like tennis or a lifting program, I’m specifically referring to group cardio programs that are nothing more than loud music and an instructor feeding the participants a series of “Simon says” instructions.

[matchbok]

What you say, man, to make yourself feel better about yourself. Is your arm sore from patting yourself on the back?

[mikestew]

The short answer is that people are idiots.

They can be at times. Often they'll make it obvious by asking questions like, "why don't they do it the way I think it should be done?"

[dylanz]

I bought one and I don't consider myself an idiot... pal. Thank you very much.

I have a pretty big background in fitness (studied/taught martial arts for 15 years, coached(L1) Crossfit, was a powerlifter and also an amateur olympic lifter for a few years). I like fighting, lifting heavy, and I personally hate cardio. I live in a city that gets cold, and the Peloton sits in my room and I constantly jump on it and get my heart rate up daily. I've lost 20 pounds in the last 4 months.

Before this purchase I had never been to a spin class in my life. I'd rather bike than run, because I'm lazy and I appreciate sitting down. The Peloton classes are great and they have HIIT, EMOM's, long distance rides, and their "Power Zone" stuff guides you through hitting your VO2max, Lactate Threshold, etc.

I already have a home gym, and the bike cost + $40/mo for classes makes it so I don't have get a gym membership and drive to a gym since I can do everything at home. Plus, there are gorgeous women motivating me to work.

You may not be the ideal customer for this product, but don't call those that are idiots.

[JoeAltmaier]

Exercise is one of those discipline things, that are more emotional than physical or logical (along with food and sex). Sure its 'easy' to just to the right thing. But there are emotional hurdles, and a mentor/trainer/group is the way social animals like man-apes deal with that.