[wittyreference]

Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a trainer is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?

Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a group is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?

Do you think that emulating being with a group would have value for those that would otherwise value working with a group?

Do you think that anyone who falls into the "works out better with a group and a trainer, or an emulation thereof" must be an idiot? Or do you think that category simply doesn't exist?

From my experience in competitive powerlifting, working out by myself, working out with others, working out with a coach, working out with an app yelling at me, are all very different endeavors, with different outcomes. Maybe I'm just an idiot.

[koolba]

> Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a trainer is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?

Honestly no. It’s just a symptom of being a weak minded person who can’t commit to self improvement.

> Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a group is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?

If you say ask it twice it doesn’t change the response.

> Do you think that emulating being with a group would have value for those that would otherwise value working with a group?

Of course it has value. But it’s the workout equivalent of hiring a prostitute. Find some real friends to work out with. Or just play some music and pedal.

> Do you think that anyone who falls into the "works out better with a group and a trainer, or an emulation thereof" must be an idiot? Or do you think that category simply doesn't exist?

A group, a trainer, and a spin class instructor that just yells at you on a preset rhythm are three different things.

> From my experience in competitive powerlifting, working out by myself, working out with others, working out with a coach, working out with an app yelling at me, are all very different endeavors, with different outcomes. Maybe I'm just an idiot.

I didn’t insult having a trainer or anything to do with powerlifting with a group. Hell, a spotter is all but mandatory in that situation.

I’m specifically referring to idiots paying someone to yell at them to speed up or slow down while riding a bike. You could record one session and play it back on a speaker and it’d be the same thing.

[dhnajsjdnd]

> Honestly no. It’s just a symptom of being a weak minded person who can’t commit to self improvement

Are you saying these “weak minded” people don’t deserve to be fit, or what?

[koolba]

Not at all. I’m saying that they’re being preyed upon by an industry that’s taking advantage of their weak wills.

Teaching them to focus their will power would pay off much more than a “class” where there’s no actual lesson. To be clear, I’m not taking about actual instruction like a sport like tennis or a lifting program, I’m specifically referring to group cardio programs that are nothing more than loud music and an instructor feeding the participants a series of “Simon says” instructions.

[matchbok]

What you say, man, to make yourself feel better about yourself. Is your arm sore from patting yourself on the back?