[Cloudef]

https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/g3yqxd/comment/fn... when the anti-cheat developers dictate what you can install and run on your computer, i would argue thats invasive. Running kernel level rootkit for this purpose is also insane. These things are very easy for cheaters to bypass anyways, and only cause problems to the honest players ironically , in addition to blocking out players using wine.

The best way to handle cheating is to give the players moderation powers.

[ThatPlayer]

Players have a hard time telling if someone is cheating or not. Especially in game when you're not spectating. Did they see you through a wall, or is it just good game sense? Did they use an aimbot, or is their aim that good, or they did they get lucky?

[Cloudef]

Has worked well ages for games that had replay and spectating capabilities. MMOs are usually slower paced than fps games so in those server-side checks alone are enough. (Most asian mmos are lazy though and just trust the client and hope their shitty anti-cheat keeps cheaters away, of course it doesnt)

Games for some reason today want single central server, instead of dedicated servers with user maintained communities is part of the problem. (E.g. cs:go vs older cs)

[ThatPlayer]

User maintained communities are not friendly to new users. CS:GO has user maintained communities, but most players do not use it. You can't build a community without new users, and new users want to play the game, not build a community.

Especially with team gameplay, players want proper skill based matchmaking. So that they don't have someone on the other team who destroys them. Or someone on their own team that is dead weight.

[dylz]

CSGO relatively heavily suppresses "user maintained" community servers, the entire experience from onboarding to client launch prioritses the Valve-run official matchmade servers for casual/competitive/etc and any special game modes.

Server browser is a hidden afterthought behind a dropdown.

[Cloudef]

I was active player during CS 1.6 era. I really didnt see the issues you mention and rarely actually met cheaters. When i did they were quickly vote kicked or banned out.

[ThatPlayer]

And times have changed. The spread of skill levels has increased with better players getting better, and more and more new players.

As well as more structured games that are not 10v10, but rather smaller 5v5 or 6v6 games, where each player can make a difference.

Cheaters are better at hiding too. Toggling aimbot for a quick kill or two isn't enough to arouse suspicion, and can be passed off as a lucky headshot. Just because you think you've never run into a cheater doesn't mean you haven't.

On the other hand, a really skilled player might be good enough to make you believe he is cheating. Getting vote kicked or banned out for that is not good either.

[Cloudef]

And anti-cheat doesn't really help the problem either at all. They are easy for cheaters to get around, and it's possible to even have cheat that the anti-cheat can't detect at all as it would use the same inputs normal player would use. Anti-cheat is same as DRM, the only people that suffer are the actual players, not the cheaters or pirates.

It's another social problem that engineers try to solve with technology.