[Fumtumi]

'killed'. Abortion is not killing.

Our society defines it as okay. You apparently don't agree with this but you are not the majority here.

No human aborts a fetus for fun.

My wife and i lost our 'fetus' on the 3 month mark. There have been a lot of thoughts about this experience and lots of emotions. And i would probably abort a fetus with Down Syndrom.

No one is doing an abortion easy. It is never easy for whatever reason and its not your place to criticize it when its not your responsibility.

You have to understand one thing: People are able to seperate the wish of not having a kid with down syndrom from other human beings who have down syndrom.

[Damorian]

Posts like this confuse me. It is absolutely killing a human. This is a scientific fact. The moral question is whether or not they are a person, or otherwise, whether or not they deserve rights, at various points of development, and apparently, any medical conditions they have or may have in the future, based on probabilities from current medical research.

[Fumtumi]

its not. You can think you define it like this, but our society is not killing humans when we abort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus

" The other question related to the beginning of human life is even more difficult to answer. It is the fertilization of the egg cells; but a conglomeration of cells in the early phase of pregnancy can hardly be characterized as a human person. The human identity, personality, and worth is associated with the functioning of the brain, so only when the brain is fully developed can there be any talk about an unborn human being." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7476658/

Just because you say 'It is absolutly killing a human' your statement is wrong.

[Damorian]

Except those links are exactly my point. "Human" is a species of intelligent animals. "Person", is an entity typically associated with traits humans have. They are different things and the distinction is important. The purpose of your "dehumanizing" language is to detract from the "personhood" being debated.

[Fumtumi]

Nope; I don't need to discuss the 'personhood'.

I'm clearly fine with abortion before the 3th month.

And no if you wanna have it clarified: I think a human being is more than just a small or big blob of cells

My opinion did not change after we lost our 'fetus' in the 3th month. And no seeing a small body lying there was not a nice experience.

[Damorian]

Given the grammar mistakes, I'm assuming English is not your first language, and you aren't properly understanding what I'm saying. It's fine if you don't want to engage, but if you are going to engage, please do so in good faith, seeking to understand the other person as completely as possible, particularly if you are working against a language barrier. I had assumed you were being disingenuous/willfully ignorant before, but I doubt that now, my apologies for making that assumption.

[Fumtumi]

You still can try to clarify what you are trying to say instead of being dismissive.

Let me try to reword it:

Yes it is a human fetus; Its not a human being.