[cumwolf]

I think there's so many signs they can't be trusted but I personally often find people don't believe it to be systemic or institutional and therefore it doesn't impact their overall opinion. Homan Square is a well known police black site but it still exists today despite so many protests

[zingplex]

I've long been advocating prison abolition, a component of which is police abolition. When discussing such matters I often will ask people what measurable line in the sand must be crossed for them to believe sweeping systemic change is necessary. My anecdotal findings are that either people will set the bar absurdly high, meaning that they believe the only circumstance that requires system change is an active mass extermination program targeting a majority of the population or they will place the bar far below where we currently are now but then refuse to listen to any evidence that we have actually far surpassed that threshold, usually presenting an endless stream of weak, easily refuted arguments.