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I've long been advocating prison abolition, a component of which is police abolition. When discussing such matters I often will ask people what measurable line in the sand must be crossed for them to believe sweeping systemic change is necessary. My anecdotal findings are that either people will set the bar absurdly high, meaning that they believe the only circumstance that requires system change is an active mass extermination program targeting a majority of the population or they will place the bar far below where we currently are now but then refuse to listen to any evidence that we have actually far surpassed that threshold, usually presenting an endless stream of weak, easily refuted arguments.