[salamimonger]

Did I say anything about Trump? It's not a Trump problem. It's just how the politics game works. You campaign on x, get elected, and then when you do y because of some reason, your supporters will bend over to justify it, rather than calling you out for it because that would hurt their team and also their precious ego for voting your ass in.

[_y5hn]

We have representative democracy, the people voted in is what counts. So important who you let in.

[wwweston]

It doesn't matter if you said anything about Trump; you made a generalization that would include Trump (though of course, Biden was included specifically by name rather than generally).

If your generalization doesn't hold across the Trump -> Biden transition, then there's at least one case that it doesn't handle well.

Since the basic premise is that politics is essentially tribal and supporters will justify any tribal position "at least one case" is being generous, but it's an easy place to start.

[salamimonger]

>Let's hear some specific predictions of things that the Trump administration has been behind that you believe those who opposed him will support if the Biden administration does them.

This is explicitly making it about Trump, when I did not mention him at all. Perhaps he lives rent-free in your head? Seems to be the case for many people.

What I said, could be said the same of Trump in 2016. His constituents voted him in because x, y, and z reasons. And then he proceeded to backtrack on them because of "reasons". And his supporters then shifted, instead of calling him out for his betrayal of their ideals. I argue that the same will happen again with Biden. Too many people voting against Trump, rather than for someone they actually wanted, who could uphold their ideals. Biden is heavily entrenched within the establishment government. How could anyone expect otherwise? He should know better than anyone what is possible and what isn't possible, yet he'd campaign on those things anyway and people eat it up.

[wwweston]

> This is explicitly making it about Trump

It's picking Trump an explicit case with which to examine the generalization.

> [Trump] constituents voted him in because x, y, and z reasons... his supporters then shifted, instead of calling him out for his betrayal of their ideals. I argue that the same will happen again with Biden.

OK. Which things do you think that Biden voters are expecting him to do that he will backtrack on?

Also, are you laboring under one of the most common misconceptions about politics?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-ke...

> Biden is heavily entrenched within the establishment government.

Yeah, I think that's what a lot of people who voted for Biden are expecting. Kindof like your spleen is a heavily entrenched establishment organ:

https://www.metafilter.com/185937/Elizabeth-Warren-exits-the...