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by gumby 2051 days ago
Though this is an .eu domain, the languages covered are more than just the official EU ones (A quick glance showed entries for Basque (somewhat politically controversial) and Turkish (not part of the EU, though partially in continental Europe).
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It's entirely uncontroversial that Basque is being spoken as a native language by EU citizens. What's potentially controversial is merely how much official recognition this fact should receive from the state in which they reside.

On the other hand, the corpus also contains "Chinese" (I assume Mandarin; I haven't checked), which I don't think even the most enthusiastic pan-Europeans are trying to claim yet.

How is Basque "politically controversial"? It is an official language in the Basque Autonomous Community of Spain. Turkish is also a minority language in Greece. It doesn't have official status, but they have their own government mandated Turkish-language schools.
I was not aware that Turkish-language schools were in place in Greece. That's great!

Admittedly I don't know the current state of the politics of Basque but when I lived in France its use was not encouraged in the Basque region.

For these purposes, I'm not sure that its political status is relevant. It's a language; there are a significant number of people in Europe who speak it. So it belongs on a list of European languages.
The language outside politics isn’t, but if you start using it as a weapon in politics (“there is a basque language, so there must be a Basque Country”), it can easily become controversial.

That certainly is the case when you start killing people for that cause (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_conflict)

You do realize that militant Basque nationalist paramilitary groups are disarmed and disbanded since more than 10 years, yes?

It's like saying Irish is controversial because the Provisional IRA existed as an organization in the past...

Which brings up an interesting point. What makes a language european? English, French, etc are official languages in many african and asian colonies due to conquest. Does it make french and english asian or african language? Is russian an asian language or a european language?
> What makes a language european?

That one's simple: it's a native language in a European country.

> Does it make french and english asian or african language?

No, since the official language is not the native language of and in these countries. Afrikaans, on the other hand is an African language, though it originated from (and is still very close to) Dutch.

> Is russian an asian language or a european language?

Russian is still a European language, despite most of Russia being located in Asia. The Asian parts of Russia have their own regional native languages (35 or so in total), with more than 20 official ones.

https://www.european-language-grid.eu/about/:

“The European Language Grid fosters Language Technologies FOR Europe built IN Europe, tailored to our languages and cultures and to our societal and economical demands, benefitting the European citizen, society, innovation and industry.”

⇒ it is European (language grid), not (European language) grid.