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by GhostVII 2055 days ago
What makes you think that this will reduce violent crime in any meaningful way? The guy who mugs you isn't going to go on Messenger and send out a quick "brb gonna mug someone" message. And they definitely won't if they know the government is listening.

And regardless, we trade freedoms for risk of death all the time. We would have far less crime if no one was allowed to leave their house without an ankle monitor and a body cam, but that would be a violation of people freedoms.
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Toutouxc 2055 days ago
I don't think he's talking about the guy who mugs him.

More like about the guy who mows down a crowd with an automatic weapon, the guy who drives a truck through the center of a Christmas market or the guy who blows up a metro station.

That kind of people.

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euthrow439 2055 days ago
Well, no, you're wrong. The terrorists are horrible, of course, but they don't really cause that much of a risk to the everyday person.

In my country there's a rapidly growing organized crime scene built around the distribution of narcotics. They are organizing themselves via these apps using burner phones. They are exploding bombs in multi-home buildings to scare/take out the competition on a weekly basis. And its all accellerating at a very scary rate.

School-age kids are using what sales people love to refer to as "military grade encryption" to communicate about hits/murders.

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dalu 2055 days ago
Really, what country would that be? I call BS. And when ever I read "military grade encryption" I'm thinking buzzwords. Don't make yourself sound more important than you actually are.
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matthewdgreen 2055 days ago
The guy who does that stuff is going to keep using encryption. Or maybe he won’t bother and he’ll keep using SMS or some other channel that intelligence agencies are too busy to monitor. Mass communications surveillance against operations like this is a fool’s errand.
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eznzt 2055 days ago
>The guy who does that stuff is going to keep using encryption.

Then we can charge him regardless of the contents of his messages.

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chance_state 2055 days ago
So stop letting "that kind of people" into your country rather than take away everyone else's rights.
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euthrow439 2055 days ago
Well, half of the EU has already backed itself into a corner.
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