[Toutouxc]

I don't think he's talking about the guy who mugs him.

More like about the guy who mows down a crowd with an automatic weapon, the guy who drives a truck through the center of a Christmas market or the guy who blows up a metro station.

That kind of people.

[euthrow439]

Well, no, you're wrong. The terrorists are horrible, of course, but they don't really cause that much of a risk to the everyday person.

In my country there's a rapidly growing organized crime scene built around the distribution of narcotics. They are organizing themselves via these apps using burner phones. They are exploding bombs in multi-home buildings to scare/take out the competition on a weekly basis. And its all accellerating at a very scary rate.

School-age kids are using what sales people love to refer to as "military grade encryption" to communicate about hits/murders.

[dalu]

Really, what country would that be? I call BS. And when ever I read "military grade encryption" I'm thinking buzzwords. Don't make yourself sound more important than you actually are.

[matthewdgreen]

The guy who does that stuff is going to keep using encryption. Or maybe he won’t bother and he’ll keep using SMS or some other channel that intelligence agencies are too busy to monitor. Mass communications surveillance against operations like this is a fool’s errand.

[eznzt]

>The guy who does that stuff is going to keep using encryption.

Then we can charge him regardless of the contents of his messages.

[chance_state]

So stop letting "that kind of people" into your country rather than take away everyone else's rights.

[euthrow439]

Well, half of the EU has already backed itself into a corner.