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by agumonkey 2079 days ago
are you referring to jd powers ranking https://mms.businesswire.com/media/20200624005175/en/800694/... ?

I'm not a car guy and never even touched a tesla so I'm curious what's bad in them.

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Just my own personal experience, I've owned two Teslas (a 2014 Model S and a 2018 Model 3) and they both had a pretty good number of problems here and there. The S was particularly bad, though that is maybe not surprising since it was one of the first 50k cars the company built, but the 3 has had its share of issues as well.

But the thing is, I've never had any issues that rendered the car undriveable or unsafe, and service has always been a joy to work with. Every problem I've encountered has been addressed quickly and effectively with no hassle or charge. So, I'm willing to forgive some of the rough edges, and I suspect this is why they get such good customer satisfaction ratings despite the relatively high number of issues.

I have a recent X, the panels fit together, no rattles or squeeks and the issues I've had were fixed fast. Last was the voice control button on the steering wheel that failed to work, reported it on last Thursday, they were at my door with mobile service at 9 this Monday.

I did test drive a 2013 S and I decided to wait until they matured at that point but now they seem to have gotten their act together in most cases.

They're actually on par with Audi here in Norway when it comes to customer satisfaction so it's not all bad [1]. Only Toyota, volvo and BMW beat them. They had a dip due to an overcrowded service department at the launch of the Model 3, but they hired a ton of people and trained them.

Now this roof falling off is one area they could improve greatly, factory Q&A. There should be a bumpy test track where they take all their vehicles for a control drive before shipping them to eliminate issues like that roof.

[1] https://www.tu.no/artikler/tesla-gjor-et-byks-i-kundetilfred...

Cars should be available, not spend time in the shop for repairs that could have been avoided. It's great that you are so forgiving but for me a trip to the garage for some small issue would eat up half a day easily and that adds up quickly when there are a number of issues.
I mean, I agree with the sentiment, but also you're assuming you'd similarly waste half a day for a Tesla repair, and that's usually not the way things work. Tesla will frequently send a technician to a customer's home or place of work and fix issues on the spot. Even when I've had to go to a service center in person, they've included free rideshare credits for quick repairs so that I don't have to wait around, or free loaner cars for longer repairs.

Back in the old days when I lived far away from a service center, they once drove hundreds of miles with a flatbed to come pick up my car, and dropped off a free loaner at my house while my car was in the shop, then came back and returned my car and picked up the loaner a few days later. (The loaner was also a nicer Tesla than the one I owned.) They really do go above and beyond to resolve issues as pleasantly and conveniently as possible.

Well, for one example: Tesla Model 3 production was constrained based on the amount of paint their factory was consented to spray every day. When Model 3 production started climbing, customers were seeing very thin and uneven paint application, well below what's normal for a car in this price bracket, and often very light on critical areas like the sills. Owners in snow-bound places where Tesla is popular, such as Scandanavia, were reporting pain stripping within a few months of ownership.

I don't know about you, but my expectation for what is nominally a luxury car would be to have paint standards better than British Leyland in the 70s.

I really think the constant reference to Tesla as a luxury car is a bit wrong. Tesla is a tech car, modern car, whatever you may call it.

There is nothing about a Tesla that suggests they are trying to make it appear luxurious. Where are the expensive materials and ornamentation?

They are trying to make a futuristic car.

Wow that chart is telling.

But I designed interior parts, so it's my own Engineering take. Tesla's were not competitive at all. The gaps between panels were so bad, you could stick your finger in it. That's not just an appearance issue, kids and adults will mess around with large gaps and put stuff inside.

And features in the interior were non existent. (Especially for a luxury car)

Almost funny how they manage to sell tech and a bit of style as luxury :)

I guess meaning is relative so 2020 luxury means curves, a tablet and skateboard battery pack.

I'd say the he Model 3 is sold as a modern car rather than a luxury car.
Interesting that you are just glossing over the fact that a) Tesla trounces all competition on performance and b) Tesla trounces basically everyone on safety as well.

I guess that's inconvenient to mention?

a) for that kind of money, and lack of features, it better go fast (cornering, meh, not so much).

b) You are commenting on an article that talks about a Tesla loosing its roof. That's a new one on me, and I'd thought I'd seen it all back when I was an auto mechanic.

Gaps seem better these days. I'd be interested to see some of the analysis on the 3 updated.