[scarface74]

As I said below, when you do it legally, someone from the sheriffs department is involved. A clean out crew is often made up of day laborers anyway.

You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff. You just throw it out on the curb.

Edit: I usually don’t comment on downvotes. But why is a factually correct comment being downvoted? I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state.

[NationalPark]

You're being downvoted because "You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff." has a tone that implies you are particularly spiteful or disdainful of people who are essentially the least powerful in society. It suggests a level of cruelty beyond a transactional business relationship.

[ggghhhfff]

I disagree, I read it as “it is not necessary to ensure that property remains unscathed from the eviction process, thus an untrained crew removing someone’s possessions from their former home is a reasonable/sensible idea”

[scarface74]

I haven’t been a landlord in over decade and I only had to do one eviction. Again I am stating facts. You don’t have to be gentle. These are the facts. I didn’t say you shouldn’t be.

After that one eviction , the next time my rental properties became empty, I started getting rid of the properties. They weren’t worth the trouble.

Facts aren’t always nice. That doesn’t mean they aren’t facts.

Money is never “personal” to me. Once the real estate crash happened and my tenants started leaving, I did strategic defaults. I actually let one tenant stay at one of my properties for months without paying rent. I knew I was going to walk away from the underwater property anyway. I told them they could stay until the bank kicks them out. I told them I was going to let it go in foreclosure. They were fine with it. They had a place to stay for months, saved money and left before the bank evicted them. No eviction on their record.

Edit: it seems to be endemic to this post, anyone care to reply why I am incorrect or why they disagree?

[foxyv]

Regarding your edit; a section of the people who browse Hacker News comments HATE landlords. Every comment I've seen from someone who has experience as one has seen a lot of downvotes. Even if they are just stating a fact or expanding on something.

[scarface74]

Not everyone wants to be a homeowner. Heck I didn’t want to be a homeowner in 2016 when I bought my current house. I thought I might be moving to the west coast to work for Big Tech this summer (2020) when my son graduated. Rent was going up so fast as people started moving into the area that it didn’t make sense to wait.

Luckily, I found a remote job at Big Tech. But I dreaded thinking I might have to go through the hassle of moving pre-Covid.

I hate to get meta. But I really haven’t seen anything this weird in the years I’ve been posting here. Easily verifiable facts with no opinions being added getting downvoted and no one disagreeing with me.

[bserge]

[Sorry, I decided to not get involved in this discussion]

[scarface74]

You have to schedule an eviction with the sheriff’s department. The police are there during the process. To get to the landlord, you have to go through the police first.

[vanusa]

I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state.

You're being downvoted because (as is common knowledge) this is definitely not true for many (and I would wager most, if not nearly all) states.

[scarface74]

Do you have a list of states where it isn’t the case? Have you been a landlord? Have you gone through the eviction process.

Choosing the three largest states.

It is the process in

California

https://civil.lasd.org/CivilProcess/cwig19.aspx?1

New York

https://nycourts.gov/CourtHelp/Homes/beingEvicted.shtml

Texas

https://www.buildium.com/laws/texas-eviction-laws/

And a few other states.

Florida:

https://www.managecentralfloridaproperty.com/blog-eviction-p...

GA:

https://www.citywiderpm.com/eviction-process-in-ga

Alabama:

http://www.cloudwillis.com/2020/09/02/whats-next-for-evictio...

Tennessee:

https://www.omnirealty.net/tennessee-eviction-process/more-4...

Kentucky

https://kycir.org/2020/03/16/courts-may-be-closed-but-some-e...

Illinois

https://www.paynelawchicago.com/eviction-faqs/

Ohio:

https://www.dannlaw.com/understanding-ohio-sheriff-sale-evic...

Wisconsin:

https://www.danesheriff.com/Divisions/Support-Services/Evict...

Mississippi:

https://www.buildium.com/laws/mississippi-eviction-laws/

[vanusa]

Have you gone through the eviction process. [?]

Like they say where I hail from: "None a 'yer bizness."

That said, a "scientific" analysis of a "representative sample" of the above links indicates that very few (if any) deal make any mention at all of the case to which we are referring: that is, where the tenant has vacated the premises (leaving their belongings on site) after the landlord has reclaimed possession.

To use just one example that does make mention - California - it says:

Any property of the tenant left on the premises will be turned over to the landlord for storage.

That is - the landlord may not, as you suggest, dispose of it as they will. Rather, they need to put it in storage for the tenant to reclaim it a future date.

And in Florida:

If the renter leaves any personal property at the rental unit, the Florida eviction laws mandate you to notify them in writing. In Florida, the law requires that you give the tenant at least 10 days to claim the property. The 10-day period is if the notice was personally delivered to the renter. If mailed, the tenant has 15 days to claim the property. You can charge the tenant for storage of the property. The costs should be reasonable. If the tenant fails to claim the property within that time, you are at liberty to dispose of it whichever way you please.

Again -- the guidelines (that you yourself posted a link to) clearly state that the landlord may not simply dispose of the property as they see fit. Rather, they need to put it (safely) in storage for a certain minimum period as prescribed by law.

That's just checking 2 of the links that you provided - both of which clearly contradict the assertion you made.

[scarface74]

I ask again, have you been a landlord? Have you ever been on either side of the eviction process in any state?

Yes there is a process. After 18 days, what do you think the landlord does with the property? Do you think they keep it forever?

The eviction process in some states and getting rid of the property have separate timelines. But after that holding period, you are still allowed to remove the property as you see fit.

As far as the article is concerned, the landlord would just have to wait 18 days before calling the company.

Even your own citation says “you are at liberty to dispose of it whichever way you please.” Just as I said.

There are plenty of Byzantine steps to the eviction process. But at the end of the day, someone from the sheriff’s department removes the person and ultimately you are responsible for disposing of the property. Whether that happens the same day is immaterial.

[vanusa]

I ask again, have you been a landlord? Have you ever been on either side of the eviction process in any state?

This is a typical debating "technique": bully the other party with questions like "Have you ever lived in country X? No? Then you have no right to question anything I say about the politics or history of country X."

Yes there is a process. After 18 days, what do you think the landlord does with the property? Do you think they keep it forever?

The point is, your initial message 100 percent, straight up said the complete opposite of what you're saying now: that as a landlord you can just "throw their stuff out on the curb" with no process whatsoever.

Thank you for explicitly backpedaling, at least.

[scarface74]

I’m not explicitly backpedaling on anything. I argued against the narrative that

A) it’s dangerous to hire a third party inverted movers because their might be an interaction between the evicted tenant and the crew moving things out. The police are always involved during a legal eviction when you move the tenant out.

B) inverted movers may destroy the property. Secure “storage” in states where the two don’t happen the same day - moving the tenant out and moving their stuff could just be leave it in the house and if they don’t come for it dispose of it however you want - including using inverted movers.

Have you ever lived in country X? No? Then you have no right to question anything I say about the politics or history of country X."

You are allowed to have your own opinions but not your own facts. One of us have actually gone through the legal eviction process. One of us haven’t. I think I have more credibility.

[mercurysmessage]

That's awful, and you should be careful with tenants stuff.

A lot of people on this site are cruel and callous.

[scarface74]

Why are you telling me? I’m just stating the facts. People seem to think that getting random people to move tenants stuff on the street have to be gentle or they put themselves at risk of being sued.

My statements are

A) at least in my state, the police are there monitoring the actual eviction either way.

B) you don’t hire professional movers who are careful with the tenants stuff. No one does. There is no increased liability from using this service over getting day laborers.