[yholio]

In the great scheme of things, sure, that's true. But we need much cleaner energy at current prices.

If you watch from around the 1h22m mark, you will see that he conceeds there is no such thing as "energy conservation", and that what he argues for actually is an increase of at least three times the in price of energy and food. Well, that's a non-starter even if you accept the philosophy, it will lead to revolutions and regime changes, it cannot possibly work.

So we absolutely need to maintain the relative standard of living, while significantly cleaning up energy. A 5x drop of our carbon intensity can lead to a more or less ecologically sustainable world economy where billions can enjoy the western standard of living without fucking up the planet in less the a century.

[labawi]

> it will lead to revolutions and regime changes, it cannot possibly work.

While we're all comfy with cheap energy and produce, IMHO revolutions and regime changes aren't neccesarrily a showstopper. With +2℃ we will have regime changes, lots of refugees, probably revolutions, while hopefully avoiding war.

[yholio]

But the timescales are entirely different. To prevent +2°C a few decades or a century down the road, politicians need to make today moves that are guaranteed to leave them unemployed in the best case and and possibly even guillotined. It's simply not fathomable, whoever proposes a 3x increase in the price of food and energy as a solution for anything has no connection to reality.