[zepto]

Ok - so it sounds like it’s actually not really a problem at all this time around, but if there had been game changing features it might have been?

My guess is that Apple would have taken this into account when scheduling the release.

If there was some marquee feature where day 1 support was important, this would have been part of Apple’s planning.

It’s clear to me that this is really not a big deal at all and that the original author - not you - is trying to manufacture outrage where none is merited.

It’s also not clear to me that any significant end users would have reason to expect most apps to be updated on day 1.

Apps have simply never adopted all the new features they could, day 1 or not. Often adoption has been gradual. Even things that are very obvious like screen size changes sometimes have taken months to be supported.

[selykg]

I wouldn't say it's not a big deal. It could very well be a big deal to them.

Is it the end of the world? No, I don't think so, but it is very clearly causing a lot of developers pains today, you should at the very least acknowledge that and understand that just because you can shrug it off doesn't mean they can.

Something that is severely missing from the world of software, and I suspect engineering in general, is empathy. Hell, it's missing from the world today. Look at the political climate in the US for another big example.

So maybe that's what your takeaway should be, show a little empathy to those who are struggling today and understand that. On top of a global pandemic, on top of possibly having their kids at home and being home schooled or learning virtually, having maybe lost a loved one, maybe even had to abandon their home due to fires, that on top of any or all of that they now have to deal with the pains of an iOS release with no warning. Empathy. Try it.

[zepto]

So what word would be good to describe your behavior in writing a long screed that accuses me of lacking empathy? Covid! Fires! Loved ones! US Politics! Oh my! Is this you giving a demonstration of empathy for me?

I have plenty of empathy if developers are actually facing pain. Piling on to attack Apple, not so much. Apple employees also have families and many of them are in California too. I’m guessing they too are affected by all of these issues.

If the original author was able to articulate the pain they are facing, I’d have empathy for them.

They didn’t in fact do so, which is why we’re trying to figure out what the negative impacts would be.

It’s absurd also to suggest that there was an iOS release with no warning. That is simply not true. We’ve been expecting it for months, and we also knew the release schedule would be different this year.

If people are being pressured by managers in some painful way, then I do feel for them, but if that pressure is occurring because managers actually have a false understanding of what is at stake, then it is more empathetic to discuss the misunderstandings about this than it is to just nod along.

It’s really not clear at all what pain anyone should be feeling.

Presumably their apps are ready to go, and all they have to do is submit them and wait.

As we’ve already discussed, almost nobody should be actually discovering bugs now, regardless of Apple’s scheduling.

[saagarjha]

Everyone knew iOS was coming out sometime soon. Nobody knew that Apple would drop the actual update the day after the Golden Master. They had absolutely no reason to. The fact that this went out, and that Apple themselves were unable to ship their own software on time to support this release, is an extremely annoying move. You sitting there and saying there "should" be no bugs is nice but not indicative at all of reality, where Apple changes their software and ships new bugs in the GM itself.

[zepto]

I agree it’s annoying.

It’s just that nobody has been able to articulate why it’s any more than that.

The fact that Apple’s own software is not all updated just proves this point, since they obviously did know when it was going to be released.

Nowhere am I saying there should be no bugs. Just that this move has very little impact on bug fixing.

[saagarjha]

> The fact that Apple’s own software is not all updated just proves this point, since they obviously did know when it was going to be released.

I'm not sure I understand?

[zepto]

If it was such a big deal for all the software to be updated on day 1, Apple could have made sure their own software was updated.

It just isn’t a big deal.