[tlbsofware]

Ozone generators are a safety hazard to other passengers so I’m glad they are banning the use of those, the EPA states that ozone can:

“ When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs. Relatively low amounts can cause chest pain, coughing, shortness of breath and throat irritation. Ozone may also worsen chronic respiratory diseases such as asthma and compromise the ability of the body to fight respiratory infections.”

EPA.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/ozone-generators-are-sold-air-cleaners

[tyingq]

Do be aware that some passengers have oxygen generators that could be mistaken for an ozone generator.

[Someone1234]

I agree they could be mistaken by another passenger not familiar with oxygen concentrators, which is a good argument for avoiding vigilantism in general.

If you have concerns let the flight crew know quietly, and they can find out politely if the device is within policy (which oxygen concentrators of course are).

[m463]

My friend had one, and it would generate oxygen, and simultaneously fill a portable tank for going out.

I don't know the protocol for air travel - do you generate O2 with a device during your travel or carry an oxygen tank?

I could imagine scenarios where a pressurized tank on an airline is bad, and also scenarios where a device would be bad too.

I've also heard of people that had medical conditions and they just weren't allowed on the plane at all.

[cameldrv]

Oxygen concentrators are allowed, but they have to be FAA approved, you have to have a prescription, and they have to be battery powered (you can't plug them into the seat power).

[Wistar]

Most of the O2 concentrators I have seen are used with a nasal cannula. Don't know about ozone generators.

[christkv]

I wonder if a uv-c light would be considered an ozone generator. Not that I ever would recommend people bring one onboard a plane.

[wtvanhest]

How do you tell if your air cleaner that you are using generates ozone?

[numpad0]

"Personal air purifiers / refreshers" are also forbidden so distinction there is probably not so important

[wtvanhest]

Oh, I should have clarified, I was wondering about in home purifiers

[apsec112]

They'll usually have a button marked "plasma" or "ionizer" that you can disable.

[Alex3917]

> Ozone generators are a safety hazard to other passengers so I’m glad they are banning the use of those

It sounds like they're banning people from bringing them on board, on just from using them. Also there are other types of ozone generators beyond just air the ones used in air filters. There are lots of folks who are mixing ozone with blood and injecting it back into themselves in an attempt to cure covid. Whatever the risks of doing this are, someone having the machine that does this isn't going to harm other people on a flight.

[JumpCrisscross]

> It sounds like they're banning people from bringing them on board, on just from using them

Why do they need to bring it on board if they aren't going to use it? Given it's a safety risk if used and has no approved therapeutic use the rule seems fine.

> lots of folks who are mixing ozone with blood and injecting it back into themselves in an attempt to cure covid

Presumably this can wait until they land.

[oarsinsync]

> Why do they need to bring it on board if they aren't going to use it?

No checked luggage? To use at the other side? To deliver to someone else?

Air travel is horrible enough already with the BS restrictions (eg water bottles). Let’s not encourage making it even worse. Airlines are already screwed enough right now without putting off the few people that are still travelling with even more restrictions and surcharges.

[lazyasciiart]

> No checked luggage? To use at the other side? To deliver to someone else?

"No checked luggage" is a choice. I've checked luggage specifically and only to transport something I couldn't bring in the cabin. It's not unusual.

[tssva]

"Airlines are already screwed enough right now without putting off the few people that are still travelling with even more restrictions and surcharges."

Evidently American Airlines would disagree with you since they are imposing this rule themselves.

[mandelbrotwurst]

U.S. airlines started charging extra years ago to NOT carry things on board.

[pjc50]

Where's this nuttiness coming from? Ozone is harmful to cells, that's why it's used for water purification. This is just a fancy version of the bleach injection, isn't it.

[pjkundert]

Mild oxidants are generally more harmful to to bacteria, viruses, etc., than to healthy cells. That's the basic theory.

That's also why you can purify water with a bleach (Chlorine Dioxide) tablet, and then drink the solution harmlessly. This isn't rocket science.

[pjc50]

Toxicity threshold for chlorine dioxide appears to be 0.8mg/L, so not that harmless, and I can't find any safety limits for injection!

(sibling comment about dose making the poison is correct, yes)

[Alex3917]

Everything is harmful to cells. The dosage makes the poison.

[m0zg]

FYI, here's what Trump meant by "inject disinfectant into the body": https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2020-04-20/aytu-bio.... These folks inject UV light source into the body via the breathing tube. He never said "bleach" - that was made up by reporters.

[slavak]

No, it objectively isn't. The context of Trump's comments was a presentation by Bill Bryan from the Department of Homeland security on how to fight COVID-19, in which he explicitly discussed that

a) The virus dies quickest in the presence of direct sunlight. and b) Readily available household disinfectants are effective at killing the virus. He specifically mentions that bleach and isopropyl alcohol had been tested.

This is the immediate context in which Trump's comments about putting light inside the body and injecting disinfectant were made. There is absolutely no doubt what he meant here. Stop trying to gaslight people.

All of this is on video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y

[m0zg]

You're the one gaslighting people, poorly. It is illustrative that you choose to ignore what Trump said immediately prior to the "inject disinfectant into the body" phrase (which, BTW, is what Atyu does - they have a video on YT).

Direct quote: "Suppose we hit the body with ultraviolet light, and you said, that hasn't been checked, but we're gonna test it, and I said suppose you can bring the light inside the body, which you can do, either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that, too". Then he proceeds to talk about "disinfectant, which knocks it out in a minute". Crucially, at no point has Trump ever suggested anything like "injecting bleach", yet thanks to CNN and gullible people like you half the country believes he did.

I think realistically what happened is, Trump was bombarded with suggestions in his daily briefing, as usual, and used a poor choice of words to describe one of the suggestions. Contemporaneous evidence supports this: Atyu announced their work with Cedars Sinai a day or two before that press conference.

But feel free to believe the CNN version. By the way, I have some excellent build-ready swampland in Florida I'd like to sell. Interested?

[slavak]

> Then he proceeds to talk about "disinfectant, which knocks it out in a minute". Crucially, at no point has Trump ever suggested anything like "injecting bleach", yet thanks to CNN and gullible people like you half the country believes he did.

Really? His direct quote is:

"I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that."

He literally asked about injecting disinfectant into the body, referencing and immediately following a briefing that talks about using household disinfectants like bleach and isopropyl alcohol against SARS-Cov-2. You're either being purposefully disingenuous, or completely failing at listening comprehension. Either way, you're clearly not changing your mind here. But maybe I can inform other people that may end up reading your nonsense.

[outworlder]

> there are lots of folks who are mixing ozone with blood and injecting it back into themselves in an attempt to cure covid

What?

Every day I lose more faith in humanity.