[axaxs]

I think generally all competing against all is the logical conclusion to this mess. Biological males competing against females isn't fair, nor are biological females on male hormones. Making a trans category could be seen as insulting/outing, I think, and probably wouldn't have many competitors.

So outside of examining and testing every single person, seems easier to just have them all compete together. Have weight classes where it makes sense to.

[leephillips]

That would mean the end of competitive sports for women. For many women and girl athletes, it would mean the end of their ambitions, the canceling of a lifetime of rigorous training and hope. Just so a few men who can’t compete against other men can bring home trophies.

[axaxs]

Everyone wants equality until it affects them negatively then, it seems.

Being a smartass aside, I don't think it will be the end of competitive sports for women. I think we'll see new sports emerge, which would be pretty interesting.

[throwaway189262]

There's essentially no sports where women can compete on the same level as men. The differences go beyond strength.

For a man and woman the same weight: Men have stronger bones, much higher oxygen capacity, faster reaction time, better motion tracking, higher fatigue tolerance, better aerobic endurance, higher pain threshold.

An interesting development would be co-ed professional sports with teams that have a fixed number of men and women. I think this is the best we could hope for as far as equality in sports

[axaxs]

But you end up back in the same position. You have a 5 person team requirement, 3 men and 2 women. Where do you put trans?

[slater]

In the gender that the transitioning person identifies with.

[silly-silly]

It absolutely would 'end' current competitive sports for women.

This would be the equivalent of ditching your current paying customers for maybe potential future even-smaller-segment customers.

[stallmanite]

You’re comfortable asserting that transgender women are “men who can’t compete with other men” and that there are individuals for whom the whole point of undergoing sexual reassignment surgery is to “take home trophies”? That’s quite a dedication to sports you’re proposing in which a person would be willing to have their genitals altered permanently to win an athletic contest. Do you honestly believe that’s the motivation?

Edit: referring to actual transwomen who’ve had surgery, etc. Just being able to declare that you “identify” as a woman and that’s that is the height of insanity.

[ccffpphh]

The issue is that many allege that one doesn't need surgery so long as they identify as their respective gender. Saying "I identify as a [gender]" is enough. There are clear differences between the biological sexes which drastically impact physical performance in athletics. Look at the texas high school wrestling champion, the under-15 boys team in dallas beating the world champion womens soccer team, etc.

[stallmanite]

The whole thing of just needing to say you identify as a woman is 1000% bullshit and in fact the pushback against such stupid things is causing a lot of problems for “real” transpeople.

When I speak of transwomen I’m referring to people who have had surgery/hormones. To me if you’re willing to get rid of your penis that’s dedication and unlikely to be a ploy to win medals in track and field.

[ccffpphh]

You are still going to have a biological advantage. Bone structure, muscle mass, endurance, reaction time, oxygen capacity

These are things that persist even after chopping your penis off or taking hormones - you can't undo the changes that your body went through during the developmental phase.

Someone male who was on female hormones literally their entire life since maybe age 0-2? Ok, you have a case. Otherwise it's just incredibly unfair for women to compete against.

[stallmanite]

Yeah read my comments a little more carefully. I have stated that I 100% agree that women need a separate league to compete in. I was advising the poster I replied to originally that he will get a lot better results stating the facts without the really gross “transwomen are men that are losers” angle. It’s really hard agreeing with y’all when you are assuming I’m disagreeing and arguing against a point I didn’t make.

If you really care about women’s leagues then it’s probably best not to frame the issue as “transwomen are male losers.” You will not win support with that approach.