[ccffpphh]

The issue is that many allege that one doesn't need surgery so long as they identify as their respective gender. Saying "I identify as a [gender]" is enough. There are clear differences between the biological sexes which drastically impact physical performance in athletics. Look at the texas high school wrestling champion, the under-15 boys team in dallas beating the world champion womens soccer team, etc.

[stallmanite]

The whole thing of just needing to say you identify as a woman is 1000% bullshit and in fact the pushback against such stupid things is causing a lot of problems for “real” transpeople.

When I speak of transwomen I’m referring to people who have had surgery/hormones. To me if you’re willing to get rid of your penis that’s dedication and unlikely to be a ploy to win medals in track and field.

[ccffpphh]

You are still going to have a biological advantage. Bone structure, muscle mass, endurance, reaction time, oxygen capacity

These are things that persist even after chopping your penis off or taking hormones - you can't undo the changes that your body went through during the developmental phase.

Someone male who was on female hormones literally their entire life since maybe age 0-2? Ok, you have a case. Otherwise it's just incredibly unfair for women to compete against.

[stallmanite]

Yeah read my comments a little more carefully. I have stated that I 100% agree that women need a separate league to compete in. I was advising the poster I replied to originally that he will get a lot better results stating the facts without the really gross “transwomen are men that are losers” angle. It’s really hard agreeing with y’all when you are assuming I’m disagreeing and arguing against a point I didn’t make.

If you really care about women’s leagues then it’s probably best not to frame the issue as “transwomen are male losers.” You will not win support with that approach.