[philwelch]

> It is worth noting that pages are doing more after loading now than they used to be though. This won't show up in onload or first meaningful paint, etc. So the first paint is fast, but then if you try to scroll immediately afterwards you'll probably hit some jankyness while the rest of the page loads asynchronously (but only kind of asynchronously since there's a single main thread).

The question is whether those pages are doing more for me, or whether they are doing more to me. When I load a page that would have been a normal hypertext document 10 years ago, instead I get a clown show filled with "we have cookies" pop-ups, tracking scripts, ads, ad-blocker-blockers, and more.

> Some other things that could cause the regression are that more people own a budget Android phone now than before. People may not realize how slow these phones are. The single core performance of the top budget phone, the Samsung A50, is comparable to an iPhone 6 which came out in 2015.

If I owned an iPhone 6 in 2015 and own a Samsung A50 today, and the web is slower and jankier today than it was five years ago, then isn't it fair to say that the web got slower?

[Yhippa]

> The question is whether those pages are doing more for me, or whether they are doing more to me.

The best part is that I'm paying for that privilege when I'm not on WiFi.

[toxik]

Remarkable, isn’t it? A bit like paying for cable and getting more ads than content. Puts that recent post on auto play videos in new light, too.

It really sickens me how advertisers are allowed to tell us whatever they want if they just pay. Not surprisingly, the CCP took out a full page ad in my country’s most prominent newspaper to spread propaganda about the Hongkong protests.

[noodlesoups]

>The best part is that I'm paying for that privilege when I'm not on WiFi.

Datacaps are some of the best examples of the worst kind of rip-offs.

How they're tolerated is beyond my imagination. Here I can get a 100/50 4G consistently, it's for ~20€/mo and the operators have no complaints

[jakemal]

> If I owned an iPhone 6 in 2015 and own a Samsung A50 today, and the web is slower and jankier today than it was five years ago, then isn't it fair to say that the web got slower?

Yes. But what do you suggest as an alternative? Refuse to take advantage of technological progress to cater to the small portion of the population who haven't updated their phones in half a decade?

[kradeelav]

Then a surprisingly large segment of the population will passively or actively refuse to visit sites with bloated webpages. Goes both ways.

[philwelch]

If only there were technological progress to take advantage of! "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place."