[ekianjo]

> Firefox is a consumer product, unlike BSD. I know this is disagreeable on this forum, but RMS' values although certainly commendable are not super useful in building popular consumer products. As evidenced by absolutely negligible proportion of consumer software created with values as uncompromising as RMS (measured by the number of users who actually choose the software, not people who use it without knowing, because that has nothing to do with consumer products or values).

Have you ever heard of Krita (GPL3)? VLC (GPL2)? Inkscape (GPL)? They are far from being negligible and they have a huge consumer following across the world. So I find the claim that Free Software principles are not super useful to build successful consumer products largely false. And such software is actually chosen by end users for the examples I provided (and there's more), because of their intrinsic qualities.

[nikitaga]

Ever heard of Photoshop, Illustrator, Sketch, Figma and other apps that the vast majority of people use over GPL alternatives? Outside of the tech bubble I mean, out in the real world.

VLC is one of the few exceptions that prove the rule standing out like that. For every GPL success story in consumer products there are 10,000 proprietary consumer product success stories.