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by jbarciauskas 2141 days ago
I don't understand the question.

The OP was edited in response to this, but I'm still mystified. I'm not making a particular claim about anything other than the experience of Black people in America, so I don't see how the question is relevant.
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rbecker 2141 days ago
How is it not relevant? When studying any phenomenon, why blind yourself to all data except that from the US? Comparing with other countries is the first thing you'd do when looking at public transport or healthcare, so what makes this case different?
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AstralStorm 2141 days ago
The problem being, the countries with major numbers of people of African descent are, you guessed it right, in Africa and completely different economically from United States of America.

What such a comparison would prove? That poor people in a rich country are on average better off than people in a poor country?

Propose a good reference group please. I'd only mildly hazard a guess that perhaps South Africa might be a good comparison, since it's not a particularly poor country and has sizable numbers of blacks. Secondary, France, but it has a very different economical system and has not had obvious racial divides in near past.

One data point for South Africa: https://businesstech.co.za/news/business/129980/

Not particularly great there either.

Data for UK is interesting but it's not a valid reference group due to small presence of blacks: https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwor...

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rbecker 2141 days ago
> What such a comparison would prove?

Prove? No, what can be learned. If you want to fix healthcare, you look at countries with working healthcare systems and see what you can copy. Same here.

And there's plenty of countries with black populations even outside Africa - the France and South Africa you mentioned, then there's also the UK, Sweden, half a million in Germany, a million in Spain, Jamaica, and I'm going to guess a large number of South American. 1.4 million in Mexico, 300 thousand in India (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi), and I'm sure I missed plenty.

It's the height of US exceptionalist hubris to think nothing can be learned from all these countries.

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AstralStorm 2141 days ago
What can be learned is that pay and employment is stratified by ethic group. However, UK not as strongly as US or South Africa, and very differently.

Still haven't found data for France, probably have to look for it in French.

For UK, my suspicion is that type of employment for Bangladeshi/Pakistani/Chinese workers is higher vs lower paying jobs.

This probably does not quite fit the employment structure for blacks in the USA at all. But if it does, the question is then: why blacks are denied access to well paying professional jobs?

In British case, the racial differences are mostly caused due to first generation immigrant biases, such as language barrier or cultural fit. (Esp. see salaries of older Indian descent.) This should not matter for USA. If it does, then why is US black culture, extant for many generations, being biased against?

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