[dilandau]

This is the comment I wish I had made. The transition from 2 to 3 was terrible for end users, distros, and app developers. I wonder if redhat is trying to embrace/extend/extinguish because it's impossible for me to see gtk (and gnome) teams actions as anything less than overtly hostile.

[cycloptic]

Please don't. It's getting rather boring to see the baseless conspiracy theories that show up whenever an article is posted about gtk, gnome or systemd. Apparently they're trying to embrace extend extinguish their own business now?

[dilandau]

When 1 company is responsible for the most cancerous, complicated, baroque, developer-hostile libraries? I think it's fine to ask these questions.

Would you create a new open-source desktop application using gtk4? Would you want to package and maintain systemd/pulse/etc?

Also: why are you responding to all the critical comments in the thread, and writing dismissive replies?

[cycloptic]

Please don't make these inflammatory comments either, it adds nothing to the discussion. You're in the thread of a GTK release announcement making these comments, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish but I doubt it's going to be constructive. I've used GTK for a few projects, it's not perfect but the conspiracy theories and aggression are unwarranted. Nobody is out to get you. At worst, as a developer you can ignore it and use Qt instead and it won't affect you.

Personally I would rather make a new toolkit, but it takes many years and many contributors to make a decent one. GUI toolkits are a complex business. Don't discount the amount of work that was already done on GTK or Qt, there are some serious lessons you can learn from those codebases.

[hedora]

Agreed.

Also, systemd seems similarly hostile and is also from redhat.

Wayland... does seem to be solving some real problems, but the transition hasn’t been going well either.