[dilandau]

When 1 company is responsible for the most cancerous, complicated, baroque, developer-hostile libraries? I think it's fine to ask these questions.

Would you create a new open-source desktop application using gtk4? Would you want to package and maintain systemd/pulse/etc?

Also: why are you responding to all the critical comments in the thread, and writing dismissive replies?

[cycloptic]

Please don't make these inflammatory comments either, it adds nothing to the discussion. You're in the thread of a GTK release announcement making these comments, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish but I doubt it's going to be constructive. I've used GTK for a few projects, it's not perfect but the conspiracy theories and aggression are unwarranted. Nobody is out to get you. At worst, as a developer you can ignore it and use Qt instead and it won't affect you.

Personally I would rather make a new toolkit, but it takes many years and many contributors to make a decent one. GUI toolkits are a complex business. Don't discount the amount of work that was already done on GTK or Qt, there are some serious lessons you can learn from those codebases.