[coldtea]

>More than 1000 upvotes on a piece of false information[1], on a website where people are well educated and informed. HN fell to fake news.

"Fake news" is a regular thing on the tech/HN community.

The whole hype around technologies (e.g. Mongo/NoSQL, etc) is just that.

As Alan Kay put it "Programming is a Pop Culture".

[pjc50]

> Alan Kay put it "Programming is a Pop Culture".

Do you have a reference for the original of this? I can find people quoting him on it but not the original. I'm also wondering: compared to what? What would it mean for programming not to be a pop culture?

[aaron695]

Google Search -> Tools -> date -> click today's date twice -> go back, set top date to 1900, set the second date to 2000.

Get nothing

Go back set second date to 2005 ->

https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1039523

Win?

[merpnderp]

Yes, absolutely a win and thanks for explaining how you found it.

[coldtea]

>I'm also wondering: compared to what?

As I read it, compared to hard science and engineering for example.

>What would it mean for programming not to be a pop culture?

Less cults, less subjective opinions, less influence of marketing and marketeers and brand names, less "fans" and "fanboism" of some particular brand/product/methodology, etc, for one...

[ratww]

He confirms it in this interview, but is quoted as saying that "computing" rather than "programming" is a pop culture.

https://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-wi...

[threeseed]

You can't possibly be serious.

There is no hype for NoSQL or MongoDB on HN. In fact it is the complete opposite with every one trying to push SQL and PostgreSQL for every use case under the sun.

[coldtea]

There's no hype today, which is because the hype died out. 5-6 years ago it was all "SQL is dead", before those people got burned.

I wasn't giving an example of a current hype -- just of a hype.

[hombre_fatal]

threeseed is famously (to me) HN's personal MongoDB cheerleader. It always fascinated me. When I read the upstream comment my first thought was "I wonder if threeseed will show up."

Not trying to call you out, I just think the consistency + choice of hobby horse is funny, and you always stand out as the one person defending MongoDB: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

I always wanted to know though: why? What compels you, threeseed?

[barbecue_sauce]

There was hype for NoSQL/MongoDB on HN ages ago, but it has long since passed. The only people bringing it up now just seem out of touch.

[merpnderp]

Why couldn't they be serious? NoSQL got big somehow. There was obviously a big push and support for it when it became big. How would HN be immune to this when it can't even spot an obviously fake story about Apple acting like cartoon villains?

[amelius]

The reason is that as programmers we're highly dependent on the technical choices made by the masses.