[yoav]

Millions of people risking their lives to beg the government to stop murdering people and police engaging in widespread violent crackdown against those people demonstrating is exactly what happens in those countries.

I don’t know how systematic police murder and beating up peaceful protestors looks different to you when it happens in the US and when it happens elsewhere.

What is it about the anthem or flag that makes you see it differently?

Look at Hong Kong protests, then look at police beating people in cities across the US it’s the same.

What are the concessions from the US government? A few minor police reforms to encourage cops to stop killing minorities on camera, qualified immunity is still here, so basically nothing.

At least China and Russia consider healthcare a human right like any developed country. The US health care system is depraved.

[hkmaxpro]

> Look at Hong Kong protests, then look at police beating people in cities across the US it’s the same.

> What are the concessions from the US government? A few minor police reforms to encourage cops to stop killing minorities on camera, qualified immunity is still here, so basically nothing.

US’s reaction is hugely different than HK’s.

Not a single HK cop was actually penalized, let alone fired or charged, for their misconducts during the year long protests. The only HK cop that was charged was the one who posted posters criticizing the police force. [1]

By contrast, numerous US cops were fired and charged. Not to mention two weeks before George Floyd was killed, a South Asian was also killed by HK cops by kneeing on his neck. [2] The victim’s name wasn’t made public, not a single HK cop was penalized, and they went on to keep doing the same to HK protesters a month later (no casualty this time) [3].

Disbanding the HK police is one of the core demands of Hong Kong protesters [4]. While US has made some police reforms, nothing like this happened in Hong Kong, except HK police just got more powerful under the new National Security Law.

And you tell me US is the same as HK?

[1] http://www.rfi.fr/tw/%E6%94%BF%E6%B2%BB/20200118-%E4%BC%91%E... (in Chinese)

[2] https://www.hk01.com/%E7%AA%81%E7%99%BC/471390/%E9%9D%9E%E8%... (in Chinese)

[3] https://hongkongfp.com/2020/06/15/i-couldnt-breathe-hong-kon...

[4] https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/2925727 (in Chinese)

[yoav]

For every cop held accountable there are hundreds more committing the same crimes who are protected by the state. While cell phones are a new invention where the protected class in the US is now seeing the oppression that many citizens have been living with, it’s not new. The state has known the whole time and intentionally hidden it.

Doing the bare minimum is just PR, eg: cops kneeling with protestors and then an hour later using chemical weapons and beating on the same peaceful protestors.

If the distinction is: China addresses challenges to oppression with censorship while the US addresses it with marketing and ineffectual “concessions” then we’re saying the same thing.

[hkmaxpro]

Please see my reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23695111

[boomboomsubban]

>And you tell me US is the same as HK?

You are comparing what happened in one city against what happened across the entire country. Look at the actions of the NYPD during these protests. They have also received virtually no punishment despite their range of heinous acts.

An occasional incident nationwide that drives up enough outrage to force a punishment doesn't grant us some moral high ground.

[hkmaxpro]

The parent comment compared the US to HK, so did I.

Now I just focus on NYPD: NYPD charged an officer for using a chokehold. [1]

No officer was charged in HK after the year long protests for their misconducts and brutality.

Side note: Numerous HK protesters were also victims of sexual harassment or sexual violence during arrest or detention. A 19-year-old girl was gangraped by police officers in a police station and got pregnant, and the police threatened to arrest her for “making false statements”. She defended her claims and had to flee to Taiwan. [2][3]

Any similar incident in NYC?

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/nyregion/nypd-officer-cho...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ3-OZaEcCA

[3] https://hongkongfp.com/2020/05/13/hong-kong-woman-who-accuse...

[boomboomsubban]

>Any similar incident in NYC?

Yes

https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/nypd-anna-chambers-rape-...

[hkmaxpro]

The NYC cops had to resign. Hong Kong cops who gangraped the girl are still at work and may keep harassing others. Their names were also not revealed, so when they switch jobs in the future they will be clean.

Anna Chambers wasn’t threatened with the being arrested for “making false statements” and can still live in New York. The Hong Kong victim (who got pregnant and had to undergo an abortion) had to flee to Taiwan for her own safety.

US cops commit a crime and get away with minimal punishment. HK cops commit a crime and the victims get arrested.

Another example: the boy shot by live rounds by the cop in this video [1] was charged for attempted robbery and obstructing the police [2], even though the event was triggered by poor policing according to an experienced Australian officer [3].

See the difference?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_s0fm4hH0

[2] https://www.thestandnews.com/society/%E8%A5%BF%E7%81%A3%E6%B... (in Chinese)

[3] https://twitter.com/JeromeTaylor/status/1194074222768771072

[boomboomsubban]

The NYC officers action wasn't even considered a crime, it was that case that finally forced a law change stating people in custody can't consent. Their names being released isn't much of an issue, one of them shares a name with Moby.

Anna Chambers may not have been threatened with arrest, but her name was dragged through the mud by the tabloids, and is likely still at risk from police retribution.

The two are not identical, but the differences do not give any moral high ground to the US.

US cops committing a crime and arresting the victim is also commonplace. Search for any instance of planting evidence or any of a score of incidents from these protests.