[maxdo]

Good retro old-fashion ruby stack from d̶i̶n̶o̶s̶a̶u̶r̶s veterans. Nice :) No fancy magic. Went to check some of their stack on github and some component describe IE5 hacks.

Kind of awkward to see how they trying to create a PR driven fight with Apple for obvious reason.

"From creators of basecamp" sounds like anti-motivation to use product. They were first infomarketing company. Eventually they lost all the competition to every other company, but wrote books and succeed in this area while competitors went IPO with actual product. Why on earth someone would trust their business communications to outdated pre-hipster infomarketing company?

My negative comment is only due to this disgusting leverage on riot/liberal values when they created a stupid buzz around a 10+ years old 30% rule. Providing as an example Tesla app and 30% cost of the car which is not the case for obvious reason. Do you think people are so stupid? Yeah, it might force me to remember this product. As a product from company with extremely mean values you should never trust.

[trcollinson]

Basecamp is a very popular product, and they make a lot of money on it. I am not sure what the particular issue is. What point are you attempting to make?

Also, having worked with a lot of startups, they are living the actual dream. They have a product that makes them lots of money. They get to explore business areas and avenues what interest them. What exactly would be the point of IPOing? Have you ever IPOed a company? Do you realize why companies IPO? Or are you just spreading hatred towards startups that don't take capital investments and just make tons of cash?

[maxdo]

My point is that when you see a path of any company that compete with them. You compare it with a books they wrote. The only feeling you can have is a strong disappointment. As a product they stuck in time and dont innovate. They market share clearly tells that. It's not correlate with focus on product.

[mr_ndrsn]

Holy shit. I do not want to be the size of Slack/Atlassian/etc. Small and profitable is the place for me, thanks!

[langitbiru]

" Eventually they lost all the competition to every other company..." -> Are your referring to Slacks?

"Why on earth someone would trust their business communications to outdated pre-hipster infomarketing company?" -> Probably because they are not under pressures from VC. In HN, we like to bash companies who have done unpleasant things because of pressures from VC. We like to said it like this, "Why did this company need money from VC? Can't they just aim the sustainable growth?"

[maxdo]

Just put them on google trends and check their trajectory. And put any of their competitor they have on their website near.

[LaGrange]

> while competitors went IPO with actual product.

...going IPO wasn't ever an indicator of success, and nowadays even less so. Meanwhile they're profitable enough that they can fund new products without having to do an IPO, and their product is fine, and to me preferable to things like Slack or MS Teams (not that that's saying much).

[jonny_eh]

> No fancy magic

As an aside, I wish we could avoid undescriptive ad hominems like "magic" and "hacks" when talking about technology. There's pros and cons to any technology choice, but "magic" isn't one of them.

[fs111]

That is not what "ad hominem" means