[zkid18]

Also stopped reading any news and reports from big media about 3 years ago.

Just curious are there any independent investigation journalists that work on the patreon/subscription model? Would consider donation them rather than NYT or WSJ.

[TheOtherHobbes]

It's difficult (for values that soon reduce to impossible) to get press accreditation as an independent journalist.

There are plenty of scrappy little online micronewspapers now, usually with an evident political slant, and some of them do real investigative journalism.

But there's no chance they'll get the direct access to the political system their mainstream cousins do.

It's also incredibly easy to astroturf fake news at that level, so not all of those sites are reliable.

The point about the MSM is that they're mass media with a huge subscriber/reader base. That's what gives them their leverage.

Journalism is much less influential without that.

[beshrkayali]

Exactly. The main problem is MSM with corporate money behind it. Getting things wrong is normal, getting things wrong intentionally (or recklessly) is malicious.

There are many. But they're difficult to find and get into. My favorite is http://www.noagendashow.com/.

[paulgb]

> My favorite is http://www.noagendashow.com/.

Are they doing independent investigative journalism, though? I jumped around in the episode a bit and it just sounds like talk radio commentary/opinion that cites MSM sources.

[beshrkayali]

It's more like media analysis I think. Both John and Adam take clips from main-stream/internet media and try to examine it. I think they do a very good job at that. There's a long donation segment because the show is produced by listeners. Sound effects and such started out as a joke but listeners like it, and almost everything around the show is done by the community, including the website, shownotes, and transcripts.

Adam was on Rogan in March. I recommend watching that episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaPKrZTUoUs

[unixhero]

Pretty partisan tho. I couldn't listen more than 5 minutes, "No one should vote x candidate".

[beshrkayali]

I don't think so, but I've been listening to them for years. They criticize all sides, but one needs to listen to a few episodes to get into it, because they do have their own style of inside-jokes/jargon that might make first-time listener feel a bit lost, but that's the case with most indie/alternative media I think.

[peteretep]

> The main problem is MSM with corporate money behind it

Plenty of non-profit MSM, including the BBC, The Guardian, AP, and so on.

[paulgb]

ProPublica. I have to admit I don't read enough of what they write, but I became a monthly supporter after their reporting on Intuit/TurboTax lobbying: https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-turbotax-20-year-f...

[ytNumbers]

There's plenty of independent journalists on YouTube/Patreon/Alt-Tech, some more reliable than others. Hopefully, in the future, more people will start getting their news from the independent YouTube/Alt-Tech journalists who wound up migrating to those platforms after they were laid off from their mainstream media publications during the past decade of layoffs for that industry. Anyone can find a list of such YouTube/Alt-Tech channels by searching Reddit. Of course, that also means having to go through the process of weeding out the biased low quality journalists. Hard hitting debates are rather rare on YouTube, but, as a general rule, I have found that the YouTubers who are willing to debate others (and who present facts during that debate) are better sources of information than those who are unwilling to ever debate anyone.

[skinnymuch]

Vice (NYT reporter involved in the overall ordeal) got a person they doxxed to be kicked off Patreon aka their livelihood for some period of time before after she (the person) retaliated against Vice — SexyCyborg. Not sure if there’s a space or not.

[rendall]

Matt Taibbi

https://taibbi.substack.com/

[hypnotortoise]

Though they are sunsetting their platform, there were a bunch of high quality newsrooms on Civil which can be supported via donations. I recommend checking out https://readsludge.com/ & https://popula.com/, for local news Block Club Chicago, FAQ NYC, Gotham Gazette, The Colorado Sun.

https://civil.co/registry/approved

[brnt]

That is deed my criterion as well: I support independent investigative publications only (and I read few other sources, haven't had TV for nearly two decades for instance).

[kwasson]

I'm not sure about individual journalists, but The Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project has a donate button. If there's a journalist whose work you admire, you could check if they have Patreon. https://www.occrp.org/en

[xenocratus]

Don't know about investigative journalism, but https://thecorrespondent.com/ claim they're only supported through their reader's subscriptions.