[anonymousab]

The CCP can and will exert pressure on family members to get expats and former citizens to do what they want. They're not the only country to do so, not by a long shot, but they are particularly brazen about it.

Though I think the CEO is less relevant than the critical amount of developers Zoom relies on that are directly living under and subject to CCP malfeasance.

[justicezyx]

> The CCP can and will exert pressure on family members to get expats and former citizens to do what they want.

Could you give a few such cases?

[mthoms]

Here's a bunch.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/01/31/china-families-interpol-...

[justicezyx]

Summary: Chinese government harass the relatives of the fugitive corruption suspects to force these suspects to return voluntarily.

That's definitely one area the Chinese system is vastly behind the international standard. But this has not been conscious to me.

When I was a child, we had horror stories of people sentenced to death penalty and were executed on superficial charges that sexual misconduct. And my parents have witnessed detained thief were beaten like wild animals by policeman, and the thief's scream was heart far in the then poor village.

These measures can even escalate during "Yanda", a nationally-coordinated clampdown on criminal activities. In [1], it was noted: "China's execution rate increases dramatically during Yanda campaigns."

Such brutal national campaigns are dying down, the most recent one [2] has much less cruelty. And historically such campaigns enjoyed universal domestic support.

As of today, the Chinese government has a high degree of popular endorsement to use whatever not-too-out-of-line measures to bring back the corrupted businessman or former government officials, who are prosecuted by the public attorneys. Thanks a grain of national pride, i.e., "those corrupted bastard not only embezzled our money, and they escape to the country that is unfriendly and can be benefited from those fortune".

[1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/23639486?seq=1 [2] https://www.economist.com/china/2019/02/28/china-is-waging-a...

[mthoms]

I'll be honest, I'm not sure what your point is. Your response reads a bit like a defence of the practice, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt (since there's an obvious language issue).

I will say... it's curious to me that you seem to be well aware of such practices but still challenged the parent to provide examples (the implication being, that they were misinformed).

Why did you ask the parent to provide examples if you knew of some already? What's your motivation?

[justicezyx]

#1 I was aware of the flaw in legal system. But the flaws I know was that the Chinese legal system was ineffective, inefficient, and quite a bit corrupted.

#2 I was not aware of the details of harassing on corruption suspects' relatives.

#3 I think it was reasonable to not able to link these 2 facts automatically together as self-evident.

[anonymousab]

I'm not at a desktop at the moment so I had to just Google for some examples. I was thinking of stuff like this:

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uses-family-members-to...

Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that China is unique in doing this. They are simply much more openly aggressive and nonchalant about it.

EDIT: I also think it was both reasonable and correct for you to ask for examples. Superpowers do enough sketchy things that we don't need to be muddying the waters with made up claims.