[elwes5]

I agree on the vertical space thing. I would add that lack of contrast between controls is very annoying. That 'flat' look is a pain. Can I or can I not click on this? The one that is a real pain is the disappearing scroll bar. It is there. The space for it is used. But just gone until you hover over it. Then it is clunky to use in relation to all of the other windows controls. The rules for making a GUI were dead simple for MS in the 90s. I had them printed out on 1 sheet of paper and most of that was a couple of pictures.

[sillywalk]

THIS.

I still have to think when I look at the control center on my phone, uh.. moon == Do not disturb, and is it on or not?? The faux-3d let you know. I also wish there was text under the controls.

I've resorted to turning on some of the contrast accessibility stuff to make it a little more usable.

And don't even get me started on the hamburger menu.

[vezycash]

>lack of contrast between controls is very annoying. That 'flat' look is a pain. Can I or can I not click on this?

Vs code. How many seconds does it take to figure out the active code tab?

[Miraste]

I must use scrolling windows differently than you, because I haven't clicked and dragged a scroll bar probably for years. The only thing I need a scroll indicator for is to see how far I am down the page, which I only do when I'm actively scrolling. MacOS disappearing scrollbars (which do not waste space when inactive, but pop in over content when you scroll) are my ideal implementation.

[fomine3]

I want to know current position and I still sometimes grab scrollbar and drag because it sometimes comfortable than scrolling a wheel.

[elwes5]

My point is that it is terribly inconsistent. There are basically 4 ways now. You can see the scroll bar. The scroll bar is borderline invisible color wise to the background. Fade in out, some are over the text (which is annoying if you happen to be reading that bit and activate it). Fade in out space kept but the control is invisible. The fade in out has a second issue. Can I scroll? It suffers from the 'bellow the fold' problem of usability. As in there was more stuff on the page but I missed it. All because a paragraph break worked out just right.

[abrowne]

I often like to know how long a page is when I'm not scrolling too.