[DiffEq]

So what is so dangerous about it? Perhaps you need to consult a dictionary as to what danger really is. I don't know these people that made the video and I don't subscribe to magic crystals or whatever they are pushing/saying but I do know what Epidemiologist Neil Ferguson from Imperial college created in his flawed modeling - a world wide panic. That is what has been dangerous. Google is a private company I suppose and they can do whatever they want but it would be better to leave their videos up so they can be "peer reviewed" and mocked if what they are saying is farcical. Just like we do with these ladies: https://youtu.be/B4s9GLWiUJM

[chimprich]

> what Epidemiologist Neil Ferguson from Imperial college created in his flawed modeling

Why do you say that? The reputation of the Imperial College team seems to have become a lightning rod for disgruntled right-wingers but the team is one of the world's most respected.

Imperial is one of the world's top universities. That's probably why Sikora falsely claimed on multiple occasions to be employed there.

There's nothing in the Imperial report that caused the UK government to change course that has been shown to be false. The prediction from the report was that the UK would suffer 20,000 deaths from the virus if extensive distancing measures were employed. The current total is 36,000 confirmed, so if anything the report was too optimistic.

[alabaster_punt]

What's dangerous about it is that it's encouraging people to demand that their government enact policies that will lead to unnecessary deaths.

Neil Ferguson's model was not flawed (at least, not in a significant way that would invalidate its conclusions)

[Consultant32452]

I welcome Youtube to ban every member of the press and Congress who publicly supported our various wars, which are government policies leading to "unnecessary deaths." Cherry picking a nobody with no power who is into crystals is bs.

[s9w]

Oh boy I wouldn't be so sure after having a look at it on github.

[alabaster_punt]

If you have a specific reason to believe that the model resulted in an incorrect conclusion, feel free to share it, instead of casting aspersions with cryptic nothings.

[DiffEq]

The model said if we don't lock things down China-style millions will die. But we see now from Sweden it was not true. See top graph: https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-c...

Also Neil's other predictions have been completely wrong on the Swine Flu and Bird flu. Why this "expert in his field" is still listened to is a mystery to me.

[Rebelgecko]

If you're talking about that first graph on the page, I think that it is not very helpful. Comparing total number of deaths can be misleading, especially for small countries like Sweden. If my state had a Coronavirus death rate as high as Sweden's 15,000 more people would be dead. Still not "millions", but it wouldn't be an ideal outcome.

[thebean11]

Weren't his projections for deaths assuming we did a lockdown also much higher than the actual numbers?

[belltaco]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-highest-deat...

[takeda]

Sweden is pitched as as some kind of example of handling the pandemic correctly, when their numbers[1] don't look good at all. From their numbers[2] 44% of people diagnosed ends up dead, implying they are way under tested or they have ridiculously deadly strain (I think it is the former). Because of that the most reliable indicator from them is number of deaths.

Now compare number of deaths with countries that reacted quickly, for example: South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, Norway and others.

[1] https://covidgraph.com/

[2] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

[s9w]

It looked very wonky. I cannot judge if the code does not actually produce something worthwhile, but it certainly doesn't pass any smell tests. In no profession would work looking as sloppy as that be trusted. And for the critical decision it was used for I would expect something more robust.

[DiffEq]

Sounds like we don't need to worry about that...government does all on its own...https://nypost.com/2020/04/28/more-blood-on-gov-cuomos-hands...

[takeda]

So this is your source? An opinion piece in a right leaning columnist in a biased NY Post, where author couldn't even help himself but include other unrelated tidbits, like how is Joe Biden and Tara Reade related to corona virus? There's nothing there to verify that even the characters in the story are real not to mention the story.

[DiffEq]

This is just the first article I found at of many from many sources - I heard about it on MSNBC or somewhere like that when a reporter was asking him about it. This happened - it is a fact; the same thing occurred in Britain resulting in the same high death toll of elderly people. But bury your head - fine with me.

[restingrobot]

LOL this is the first I've ever heard of a "right leaning columnist" at the NY Post, opinion or not.

[takeda]

So what you are saying that a tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch is not biased to the right?

[restingrobot]

It was sarcasm, but on second read I can see it didn't come off as such.

[doktrin]

all you have to do is click on his name to see a list of his work.

https://nypost.com/author/michael-goodwin/

"Susan Rice's email exposes Team Obama's 'by the book' treachery"

"Shameful media still slamming Donald Trump during coronavirus crisis"

"Trump passes coronavirus test with flying colors"

"Deep State snakes slither back after FBI, CIA swamp draining"

yeah, definitely not a right leaning columnist.

[restingrobot]

Are you serious? The orginally predicted death number was over 250,000 in Britain. How do you explain the numbers in Sweden which had a much different policy compared UK? Yes Sweden has a higher mortality/million pop rate, but estimates are showing that the number of people dying in UK from non-covid-19 health issues as a result of covid-19, (not going to hospital or getting treatment), would put those numbers on par.

[DanBC]

> but I do know what Epidemiologist Neil Ferguson from Imperial college created in his flawed modeling - a world wide panic.

You don't think the tens of thousands of deaths in Italy, Spain, France, and the US had already caused that panic by the time his model was released?

[DiffEq]

No, that is not how the timeline went. As to who created the panic - it was Neil, Fauci and their ilk along with the media. The media, instead of reporting that the data shows old and sick people are the ones dying chose to hide that relevant fact and just report the death toll ad nauseam with no context - as a matter of fact they are still doing it.

[holler]

what’s missing is the conversation of how many deaths we’re going to see from the lockdown itself in the form of suicide, alcoholism, drug overdose, domestic violence, mental health etc

[chess_buster]

Yeah. Lets just throw all the elderly and weak and people with pre-existing conditions under the bus and be done with it. Compassion is overrated.

[DiffEq]

Nobody is advocating to throw them under the bus. But the fact is since the virus is essentially unstoppable in its transmission rate everyone will be exposed to it...and what will be of those people will be of them. Their best hope is hospital care if they need it; our hospitals are not overwhelmed and neither are Sweden's...so these quarantine measures are an unnecessary burden.

[mindslight]

The shape of your argument is why we are doomed to censorship. You could have kept to the abstract point about information itself not being dangerous, but instead you invoked the opposing team's narrative about what constitutes dangerous information. Eventually, we all lose.