[masnao]

vegetarian meat (usualy from industrial satay, made with dissolved soy in whatever chemical bath) is what drives me away from pretty much every vegetarian/vegan place.

this is why opensource that is just a cargo cult to copying even the bad decisions of commercial software harms more than help.

id be fine tasting a nice indian meal made with vegetables. but instead I get gnome changing the side of the window close buttons (while at the same time removing the options dialog to change it back) just because the designer du jour liked copying osx instead of windows. it's fake-meat all over again.

[Polylactic_acid]

This makes no sense. Gnome has its buttons on the same side as Windows. You are probably thinking about ubuntu which patched gnome to move the buttons to the left.

And even ignoring that detail, the side the window buttons are on is entirely made up. Windows isn't the real OS with OSX as the fake windows clone. The gnome philosophy is to support a minimal number of configurations but to make sure they are all tested and work perfect. Other DEs allow full customizability but I have found them to be buggy.

How many desktop environments actually let you switch the window button side? I haven't seen one, and if you know one, why are you using gnome instead of it?

[thayne]

> How many desktop environments actually let you switch the window button side?

KDE does. And Gnome used to.

[Polylactic_acid]

So use KDE then? Last time I tried it I found it to lack the polish that gnome has.

[cbpowell]

Give KDE a try. Gnome has steadily dumbed down and removed features; KDE is delightfully customizeable and very, very polished in current form.

[fiddlerwoaroof]

This. After the KDE 4 debacle, I gave up on KDE because they cut all the functionality I relied on. However, I’ve been pleasantly surprised by how functional the newer KDE5/Plasma desktop is, especially once you change a handful of really ugly defaults (mouse cursors, window switcher and a couple other similar things)

[cbpowell]

That, imho, is the major boat anchor holding KDE down: the ugly defaults. If they would take a moment to apply tasteful default settings it would make a huge difference in the marketing value.

In the end, though, KDE is "just like Linux" in the philosophy of "you don't like it? change it!"

[type0]

Interesting conundrum, with KDE I'm fighting the abundance of features not to break things but with GNOME I'm fighting the absence of features in order to make it productive.

[panpanna]

Gnome still does:

Gnome tweaks -> Window titlebars

[masnao]

keep in mind that the tweaks app was a very voiced project against the gnome team. it kept fixing what they broke. it was mostly a f* you message ...that everyone must use daily, which say a lot about the message.

[ramanujank]

I can't remember the last time I clicked on a close/minimize/maximize button. May be when I was in middle school 20 years ago.

[filterfish]

Not all meat substitutes are "industrial" after all they've been around about 2000 years: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_meat!