[pchico83]

Github codespaces is a step forward to eliminate local setup and have replicable dev environments running in containers. But for true cloud-native applications, you would need a kubernetes namespace to run other services, databases or access the kubernetes API. This blog post explains our vision of cloud-native development at www.okteto.com

[sytse]

Great work! I agree that developing in a Kubernetes namespace makes a ton of sense. This is also the direction we want to take the GitLab Web IDE. Kubernetes is the interface to the cloud, both for development, testing, and production.

[pchico83]

Yes, the possibilities with this are very exciting. We have already integrated Gitlab runners in our Application Catalog, and we are working on a UX to deploy a branch and put it on dev mode on a single command.

[sytse]

Awesome. Please let me know if there is anything else we can do.

[heroic]

give jenkins x devpods a look[1]

[1]: https://jenkins-x.io/docs/reference/devpods/

[chris_st]

For whatever it's worth, I think your service (A) looks great! and (B) looks a lot like Heroku in a lot of ways.

One thing Heroku learned was that people kind of abused their free service. It used to work like this: You could create a free web service, and with no activity, it would "go to sleep" after (I think) 18 minutes of inactivity. Then it would take about 30 seconds to start up... fine for personal projects.

The abuse cut in when people set up (say) a raspberry pi to sit on their home network, and ping the service every five minutes, so it never went idle.

So they initially set up some punishment-like thing where your app had to be idle for some percentage of the day.

Finally, they made a MUCH better fix in that they changed the way the free tier works. You get (roughly) 730 hours of uptime a month, use as you see fit -- you can have one app running constantly, two running half time, lots if you only hit them occasionally.

So I can see someone setting up a Fred Developer account, and then setting up their raspi to do some simple deploy step every five minutes, to change something inconsequential about the app.

Also, what would 100G of disk cost? 1T? Thanks!

[pchico83]

Thanks for your feedback. We changed our free tier a few weeks ago to avoid abuse, but we will probably improve over it in the following months. Our focus is on development, not on hosting production apps, so I hope we can do more drastically things than heroku.

[1ba9115454]

What's the performance like with compiled languages? I'm using rust and compiling in containers always seems slow.

[pchico83]

I haven't tried rust, but I usually work with Go. The performance really depends on the resources assigned to your container. Okteto Cloud gives you 4 CPUs and 8Gi RAM. Also, it is important to persist dependencies and cache information using volumes to take advantage of incremental builds.