[kaylarose]

I can't agree with you more - on every single point.

Even dumb forms don't work right with ExtJS. One example: there is no sane (or even insane - but documented) way of setting a default option in a combobox, or disabling individual options. Really?!

Seriously if you feel you need to use some big desktop-in-the-browser framework, look at SproutCore, or YUI, or Dojo, or Cappuccino, or....anything else.

[superstructor]

Wow you guys are seriously just haters who obviously have little (if any) real experience building commercial-grade rich internet applications.

If you go beyond a simple page you need a decent "heavyweight" framework, otherwise you just end up with a big ball of mud or writing your own. Extjs happens to work extremely well for experienced JS devs.

Illuminations is an outstanding plugin of serious pragmatic use. Its already paid for itself many times over in my work.

Oh and btw my forms work great - your obviously just a fool who blames the framework instead of your lack of ability which is the real cause.

[DjDarkman]

> Wow you guys are seriously just haters who obviously have little (if any) real experience building commercial-grade rich internet applications.

You just called a group of people haters because they didn't support your ideals. I think this speaks for itself.

What does commercial-grade mean to you? How many users does that mean? How many tested platforms?

Microsoft and Google uses jQuery and not ExtJS, is that commercial-gradish enough for you? or they probably have "little (if any) real experience" according to you.

> If you go beyond a simple page you need a decent "heavyweight" framework, otherwise you just end up with a big ball of mud or writing your own.

This is a dubious claim, because:

- other people may actually be good at writing their own stuff

- ExtJS may not save you from writing custom stuff, because you may need stuff that aren't included

> Extjs happens to work extremely well for experienced JS devs.

> Illuminations is an outstanding plugin of serious pragmatic use.

Can you support these claims or you just wrote them down to justify your ideals?

> Oh and btw my forms work great - your obviously just a fool who blames the framework instead of your lack of ability which is the real cause.

You are obviously someone engaged in a trollish behavior for some reason.

[superstructor]

> You just called a group of people haters because they didn't support your ideals.

No they are haters because they are spreading FUD about Ext.js with no true or substantial points to support their claims.

> What does commercial-grade mean to you? How many users does that mean? How many tested platforms?

ONE of our apps has > 300k users. No major bugs or usability issues on production. And is tested on every browser with over 5% usage share (too many to list, the info is on the net anyway) on all the major platforms (Win, Lin, OSX).

> Microsoft and Google uses jQuery and not ExtJS

This is laughable. Microsoft and Google use jQuery for web pages. Not applications. Looks at Gmail and find jQuery there ???

> - other people may actually be good at writing their own stuff

If they want to waste their time and be overtaken by the competition who are making better use of resources they are entitled to make that poor judgement.

> - ExtJS may not save you from writing custom stuff, because you may need stuff that aren't included

It takes less resources to extend Ext.js that is does to replicate it.

> Can you support these claims or you just wrote them down to justify your ideals?

Having worked on RIA for over 6 years and having had Ext.js apps in production since Ext.js 2 my experience is that both Ext.js and illuminations work well. I'm not going to write a review and give you cypto certificates to login to apps that are not public. Its an observation from experience.

> You are obviously someone engaged in a trollish behavior for some reason.

Spreading FUD about a framework that is completely false is trollish behavior. I did not do that.

[DjDarkman]

> No they are haters because they are spreading FUD about Ext.js with no true or substantial points to support their claims.

Does you claiming the opposite make your comment valuable?

> This is laughable. Microsoft and Google use jQuery for web pages. Not applications. Looks at Gmail and find jQuery there ???

Sorry, I can't take nobody seriously who uses meaningless buzzwords in this context. Your comment is laughable.

> If they want to waste their time and be overtaken by the competition who are making better use of resources they are entitled to make that poor judgement.

Again: poor assumption.

> It takes less resources to extend Ext.js that is does to replicate it.

What if the functionality inside Ext.js is not what you need? You can extend a hammer to make a tank, it's just not practical.

> Spreading FUD about a framework that is completely false is trollish behavior. I did not do that.

Your 1 day old account and your tone suggest otherwise.