[GarrisonPrime]

Based on the drop in cases, ludicrously low infection and death rates, the need to balance healthcare system burden with a speedy development of herd immunity,and the economic devastation.

People can’t just say “it’s worth it if we save just one life”. Bullshit. Everything requires context, and being under lockdown has its own severe consequences. Including the loss of life.

[SolaceQuantum]

It looks like it’s several times more deadly than the flu if a hospital can provide optimal treatment. Should we go ahead and rapidly infect everyone the death toll will go to Italy. Additionally, I would suspect that the cost of rapidly developing herd immunity, the subsequent uptick in deaths due to 1 in 5 or so people needing the hospital and unable to receive assistance because the hospital cannot take 1 in 5 people at once would probably crater the economy much harder and longer... Every economist I’ve looked at has said this?

(EDIT: also from what I’ve seen it is entirely possible that infection results in long term reduction in health like lung capacity. That’s super fucked if we infect everyone in that case!)

[IfIEverCatchYou]

Faults in your argument:

Hospitals are mostly empty in the US.

Antibody testing is showing that herd immunity is rapidly growing.

Persons who could be severely infected by COVID are generally not in the workforce.

[SolaceQuantum]

There is currently no proof that antibody testing is detecting antibodies greater than the false positive rate except in New York, which itself has biases in its study (only testing people who are already out in public, and that's only 1 in 5). Additionally there is no proof that the levels of antibody detected result in immunity or for that the levels of antibody will remain at immunity-levels long term.

[take_a_breath]

Could you provide sources for these three points?

[take_a_breath]

==Based on the drop in cases==

Friday and Saturday saw the highest single day totals of new cases.

==ludicrously low infection and death rates==

Nobody knows these rates because we can’t test enough people to know infection rates. People are dying at home so it will be a while until we know actual death rates.

==speedy development of herd immunity==

You and your family should jump to the front line and help build this immunity. I’ll protect my 2 year-old and pregnant wife in our home.

All we have to do is look to the 1918 flu to see the danger of opening up too soon. Making up strawman quotes from your “opposition” doesn’t change the data on this virus or the history of past viruses.

[TechBro8615]

New cases are really pretty meaningless considering the confounding variable of increased testing. New hospitalizations is a much more reliable statistic, followed by new deaths, both of which are down in many (most?) states. In New York for example, new hospitalizations have been decreasing for 15 days.

[IfIEverCatchYou]

> You and your family should jump to the front line and help build this immunity. I’ll protect my 2 year-old and pregnant wife in our home.

This is exactly how the pandemic should have been handled. Personal risk should have been allowed to be determined by the individual, not the state, at the expense of personal rights.

[take_a_breath]

The obvious flaw is that we know people can be asymptomatic carriers. That means they can put others at risk which violates the personal rights of those individuals.

This also can’t be done without significant testing which still isn’t available 9 weeks after declaring a public health emergency.

[matz1]

If think you at risk then you stay at home. If you force other to stay at home you too violates the personal rights of those individuals.

[take_a_breath]

The Patriot Act violates my personal right to secrecy. Stop lights violate my personal right to cross intersections as I please. And on and on.

Welcome to civilized society, sorry it's such an inconvenience.

[matz1]

Yes, In a society, a right is being uphold because the side who support it, successfully fight and defend it.

>The Patriot Act violates my personal right to secrecy. Stop lights violate my personal right to cross intersections as I please. And on and on.

You don't have those right because you fail to successfully fight and defend it

Thats why elon musk is making the tweet, to fight and defend his rights.

Welcome to society, sorry it work that way.

[matz1]

>You and your family should jump to the front line and help build this immunity

Yes by allowing people to go outside, work and do their normal activity. It builds their and other people immune system. Prolong lockdown will cause immune system to go down.

[orwin]

We are on HN, not on a forum on healthy diet and recipe with this "bolster immune system" nonsense (that i accept reading on those forums). If something seems logical and simple, it just means you have to do your own research.

Either you are immunodepressed or you are not. Well, actually you can have an hyperactive immune system, that's what Dr house call a lupus, or a cykotine storm.

Really fast and with no details : You can boost your protective response going out and interacting with other people/kids but this will not boost your immune system. I understand this is an easy confusion as the protective response is caused by the immune system but i assure you, this is not the same thing.