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by Dylan16807 2274 days ago
iMessage itself bugs you to enable backups?

> iOS programs choose how their data is backed up.

Well desktop apps don't. Would you say that no desktop app that saves its key can ever qualify as end-to-end encrypted?

> And besides, iCloud is made by the same company, it's not a separate entity.

I'm not convinced that's relevant to whether the encryption is end-to-end or not.
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modeless 2274 days ago
> Would you say that no desktop app that saves its key can ever qualify as end-to-end encrypted?

I would say that no app can qualify as end-to-end encrypted if a large fraction of users send their data to the maker of the app in a form that can be decrypted by the maker of the app, regardless of the reason.

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Dylan16807 2274 days ago
If iMessage was made by a third party and worked exactly the same then you'd have no objection to calling it end-to-end encrypted?
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modeless 2274 days ago
No. This is a necessary condition for being end-to-end encrypted, not a sufficient one. But iMessage doesn't meet it.
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Dylan16807 2274 days ago
Okay, so if I can't guess your point of view, then it would really help if you would answer the question I asked about desktop apps.
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